Yes it does.

I think he has a point when he says we should have won with the team we put out. All respect to Widnes but they have been awful this year and it was down to our own errors and poor play that we lost

It just goes to show that, no matter how poorly a team may be playing, you cant underestimate any of the teams in SL

To be honest I was disgusted at the team that was picked yesterday, if your going to play youngsters, play them 1 or 2 at a time, to rest arguebly our 4 best players plus Liam Farrell is ridiculous. And surely if you are going to play the kids, play the captain to guide them through the game.

I totally agree, there's a correct way of phasing young players into the first team and to throw 4 of them in with no leadership or guidance is a shocking way to go about this.

Agree with the OP..Very poor leadership from Wane, and the post match comments have me slightly concerned also.

right, 2 things that have compelled to post for the first time in a long time.

firstly, what is all the mass hysteria? Wane was on a hiding to nothing yesterday whatever he did by the sounds of things. Maguire failed to rotate his squad last year and got a roasting on here (some suggest this was the reason we failed in play-offs), so if Wane played a full team, he would have been derided.

secondly, what seems to have been overlooked is tha fact Widnes won, not Wigan lost. I think our fans have shown a complete lack of respect if anyone has in suggesting that Widnes would have lost that game if Wigan had a couple more senior players involved? So i think that the posters on here suggetsing that Wigan showed disrespect are total hypocritres.

Gone are the days when a tema can go through the season unbeaten or even strive to come top of the league. Granted, all points are important and we should try to attain the highest position possible, but come on, the reaction on here has been absurd.

I reckon we would have got more out of the game yesterday than - as some have suggested - walloping Widnes by 50+ points (not even certain considering Widnes performance yesterday) and letting the youngsters get even more disgruntled at not having a chance in the lower Academt level.

I sometime sthink the people disappointed with yesterday's failure to get 2 points are the ones who the only thing they look forward to in life is to gloat to a Wire or Saints supported that we are top of the league for a few days. Big deal. It has consistently been proved that as long as we play consistently well, be there or thereabouts and come into some devastating form September time, we will be ok.

end of..move on. Guaranteed Wane wont throw in that many kids next time.

Perhaps Wane did underestimate Widnes. But far worse in my eye's were the team blowing an 18 point lead and only playing for 20 minutes of the match. The fact that we didn't maintain that intensity irks me more than anything. We've yet to play for the full eighty yet this season, and yesterday was the worst example of that yet.

Wrong on so many counts i don't even know where to start

This is 5 mins of pish!!!

all wrong

and there was me looking back at the half-cocked team that went to Newport three years ago getting shouted at for being a bit concerned....

anyway, (1) Wane underestimated/disrespected Widnes who were always going to go for the biggest scalp they could get. (2) The squad wasn't up to it. (3) where was the defense FFS! It's not all Wane's fault that they put 37 past us. (4) the place for trying out newbies is in the reserves or the friendlies BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS ! ("There were a few debuts because I needed to know about these players." WTF?!).

It's only 6 games in, & there's no need to panic, but if we don't put a telephone number past London next week, a little more than knee-jerk "Wane out" nonsense needs to be considered and someone should have a talking to.

Let's just hope everyone learns from this & it doesn't happen again.

As any young player a young coach will make mistakes and it's how he comes back from a bad one yesterday that will show Wanes true ability. I'm sure he knows he's made a mistake even though he won't publically admit it and now his job is to make sure he doesn't repeat it.

I still think the early signs are that he's doing a cracking job. With a first choice side we've played some very good and structured attacking rugby whilst defending strongly when it's been needed. He's got more out of a couple of new signings then people thought possible and he's pushed the games of guys like Goulding and McIlorum on a level or 2. He's also blooded a couple of youngsters in the right way and coped well with some injury problems.

Learn the lessons and move on.

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Wane sounds out of his depth in this interview, saying he's not sure whether he'll play the 5 players left out get a grip Wane and admit you messed up big time!

What Wanes saying in that interview is exactly what I was alluding to on the short sighted thread. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=521715 He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance. What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday.

What Wanes saying in that interview is exactly what I was alluding to on the short sighted thread. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=521715 He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance. What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday.