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Quote: The Reaper "Well the thing is they are trying to get players to drop their tackle height, so that there's much less margin for error and it's less likely to hit the head even if they fall. It's no good saying there's nothing he can do, because there absolutely is. He can tackle lower in the first instance. It makes sense as a goal from the RFL, the problem is the MRP is a complete liability and a lottery and isn't working. I understand they're trying to "deter" players from tackling high, but the system of handing out big bans is just stupid. Players aren't doing it on purpose, so deterrence isn't what's needed. You make it against the rules and punishable by a penalty/yellow card/red card on the day and players will stop doing it, but it's going to take time for them to adjust to not do something they've been trained to do for 10 years. The retrospective bans aren't needed at all, they're just ruining the game'"


I understand what they are trying to do but it is not always possible to get it right all the time in split second decision making.

For example, say two players who are both 6ft, defender bends his knees, arches his back and turns into an attacker and therefore say drops his tackle height by 2 foot, if the attacker remains straight the defender will make shoulder contact around the waist, if the attacker suddenly falls to his knees as he is brought down from behind also, he drops his height rapidly by 2 foot and therefore the defenders shoulder is around the head of the attacker.

The defender dramatically lowered his tackle height yet makes contact to the head, how can the defender alter his tackle anymore other than aiming for the knees of the attacker or even readjust in a split second to make contact below the head, it is almost impossible.

Now I am not saying AK had adjusted his height to that degree but he obviously adjusted his height as you can see where his shoulder was, he hit the head of a player almost on his knees so his shoulder had dropped, I am saying that we should have enough technology and video evidence available to 'measure' these adjustments and timing of height changes etc. to see if the player could have made any reasonable adjustments before making contact.

As for the term 'forceful contact' im sorry but if you are going to make a tackle on someone running at you full speed who is potentially 14 stone of pure muscle, if you are not going in hard to counter the attacking player then you are a danger to yourself.

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'Forceful impact' is a really misleading criteria without taking it into context. A swinging arm with forceful impact is very different from a forceful impact of a planned tackle where the point of contact has suddenly changed from the intended point -as is the case in a player quickly losing height.

The defender is always planning to use a forceful impact in the tackle, that can't change in time he has, if any to make adjustments.

I agree with the above poster it should possible to use technology to assess how much reaction time is available for the defender to make an attempt to change the point and/or force of contact.

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Quote: Warrior Winger "I understand what they are trying to do but it is not always possible to get it right all the time in split second decision making.

For example, say two players who are both 6ft, defender bends his knees, arches his back and turns into an attacker and therefore say drops his tackle height by 2 foot, if the attacker remains straight the defender will make shoulder contact around the waist, if the attacker suddenly falls to his knees as he is brought down from behind also, he drops his height rapidly by 2 foot and therefore the defenders shoulder is around the head of the attacker.

The defender dramatically lowered his tackle height yet makes contact to the head, how can the defender alter his tackle anymore other than aiming for the knees of the attacker or even readjust in a split second to make contact below the head, it is almost impossible.

Now I am not saying AK had adjusted his height to that degree but he obviously adjusted his height as you can see where his shoulder was, he hit the head of a player almost on his knees so his shoulder had dropped, I am saying that we should have enough technology and video evidence available to 'measure' these adjustments and timing of height changes etc. to see if the player could have made any reasonable adjustments before making contact.

As for the term 'forceful contact' im sorry but if you are going to make a tackle on someone running at you full speed who is potentially 14 stone of pure muscle, if you are not going in hard to counter the attacking player then you are a danger to yourself.'"


I agree, and this is why I can't stand the MRP as a concept. Like I said, players aren't doing this on purpose so handing out retrospective bans is both pointless and just effects the integrity of the league far too much. Just punish them on the day for getting it wrong and get on with it. If the referee misses it on the day then it's unfortunate but that's sport.

That said they do seem to be handing out far, far less bans over the last couple of months than at any point over the last 3 odd years which is an improvement, but again these 3 match bans are just stupid.

To me, the MRP should only be there for serious acts of foul play that are missed by the ref on the day, or are spotted by the ref but are so serious they require further action. You'd think you could use common sense to see which incidents this refers to. As for the rest, make use of the yellow card. It's a pretty big punishment without completely ruining games like red cards and suspensions and make like football and give out a suspension when you accumulate too many. Obviously you'd still need to give a red for bad ones, but they're used far too liberally now. Go on twitter during/after any single game this year and you've got people saying so and so should have been sent off. Every game. How we got here as a sport I don't know, but it's not good

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We aren't helping as fans. It's become a feeding frenzy after every single game of fans baying for other team's players to be banned. It's absolutely ridiculous! In answer to your question of how we got here it's because the disciplinary is having too much influence on the season. Here we are in cup final week once again talking about bans and no bans. Same prior to the WCC and no doubt it'll be the same prior to the Grand Final.

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MRP missed Drinkwaters high shot and O'Neill gets fined £250 for a push and Musgrave same offence nothing.

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The refs and MRP are encouraging cheating by the way they run matters.
Keighran got belted under the chin by two Wire players. The ref saw it and gave Wigan a penalty. That was it!
If Keighran had milked it and stayed down holding his head with the medics surrounding him then the VR would have reviewed it and probably one Wire player would have gone to the bin.
With Keighran getting to his feet immediately and by not reviewing the incident they are inviting players to stay down to get medical attention and a review with a dismissal for an opposition player of some sort almost inevitable.
This really needs to be looked at by the refs admin people.

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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: Phuzzy "We aren't helping as fans. It's become a feeding frenzy after every single game of fans baying for other team's players to be banned. It's absolutely ridiculous! In answer to your question of how we got here it's because the disciplinary is having too much influence on the season. Here we are in cup final week once again talking about bans and no bans. Same prior to the WCC and no doubt it'll be the same prior to the Grand Final.'"


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Quote: Phuzzy "We aren't helping as fans. It's become a feeding frenzy after every single game of fans baying for other team's players to be banned. It's absolutely ridiculous! In answer to your question of how we got here it's because the disciplinary is having too much influence on the season. Here we are in cup final week once again talking about bans and no bans. Same prior to the WCC and no doubt it'll be the same prior to the Grand Final.'"

Have to agree what goes around comes around I suppose

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: sergeant pepper "Fine them then.

Why does everyone else have to suffer? £100 min for the coach and a ticket. I want to see two full strength sides go at it.

RFL treats its fans like absolute mugs. Shame most of them all seem to bend over a love it.'"

So you can headbutt whoever you want so long as you don't mind paying the fine. Great idea icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Grimmy "So you can headbutt whoever you want so long as you don't mind paying the fine. Great idea
Glad to see you posting again, something good has come out of that post after all icon_wink.gif
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Quote: Jukesays "Glad to see you posting again, something good has come out of that post after all
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Quote: Grimmy "So you can headbutt whoever you want so long as you don't mind paying the fine. Great idea 2.630859375:5
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