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| You wonder if he thought because it was Peet in charge he could take liberties. Peet is obviously a young coach, inexperienced and did not have that top level playing career and Hardaker has always struck me as a guy who rates himself higher than what most other people do. If that was the case, it’s a win for Peet and a feather in his cap to move forward with. There can be no doubt of his ability to make tough decisions.
A bit of short term pain for the squad losing a decent player but it could have plenty of long term gains.
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| One of my old bosses used to say to me with a wink 'nothing like a good old sacrificial lamb to the slaughter now and again to sharpen the senses of the rest of the troops'.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I’m not sure it is. He’s decent nowadays but as a centre I wouldn’t have him in the group of better ones in the league. He played for England due to a number of absences IIRC. Maybe it’s unfair to judge him on his wing performances and ultimately I think there’s been a real lack of motivation on his part to play anywhere other than fullback but on his actual performance levels as a centre or winger for us this season and last, I wouldn’t have him as a standout.
I agree if he goes to Leeds and plays fullback he’ll probably improve rapidly. He did play his best rugby for us at fullback early last season but he’s not going to play fullback here, so you’re left with an unmotivated, decent centre. Aside from any debate over his current level as a player, it’s just a relief to know there isn’t a disaster waiting around the corner.'"
It’s a blow still as we are losing our best centre and it’s going to be tough to find an adequate mid season replacement with no quota spots available. That said if he’s been disruptive and like has been said 2 incidents have occurred in the last couple of weeks then we are better shut, I certainly don’t think he’s going to be the difference with us winning or not winning trophies, although he would have dealt with Hurrell better than Bibby did last week.
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| Quote: CobraCraig "It’s a blow still as we are losing our best centre and it’s going to be tough to find an adequate mid season replacement with no quota spots available. That said if he’s been disruptive and like has been said 2 incidents have occurred in the last couple of weeks then we are better shut, I certainly don’t think he’s going to be the difference with us winning or not winning trophies, although he would have dealt with Hurrell better than Bibby did last week.'"
I can certainly go with all that. It’s an area that needs attention for next season (and maybe this if anything crops up). Hopefully Halsall gets some chances and nails a spot.
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Not alcohol related just being an booty related.
Wouldn’t get on the team coach after Wakefield game and I hear ongoing lateness for training thereafter.
I assume summarily dismissed with no payment.
Not great timing but the club are 100% correct.
I actually applaud their actions.'"
That was the first incident
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| Quote: Wildcat26 "A little different, Hardaker has been sacked at every SL club he`s been at, when signed your chairman then blamed those clubs mismanagement of Zak when it was quite clear it was the man himself who had chance after chance. Wigan have done everything right by him, in fact you went above and beyond, if it wasn`t for Wigan he`d be playing in the championship at the very best if at all, and look at how he has repaid the club. I do think though you shouldn`t have bothered, he can`t keep himself out of trouble and he`s had chance after chance.
I don`t get the TJ comparison though, you`d be hard pressed to find a Wakefield fan that would disagree with you on that, in fact we thought he`d be off before he signed his last deal however Tom stuck by the club that stuck by him in some very dark times perhaps ZH could take a leaf out of this book.'"
I only used TJ as a comparison ... the first Wakey name that came into my head. I wasn't suggesting there was any similarity between him and ZH. Nottingham Tiger was a total buffoon who came on here prophesying doom from the moment we signed Zak Hardaker (who we got at decent discount, by the way), at times almost seemed to follow him around, and had the nerve to come back on here this morning to say he'd told us this would happen. Nearly 4 years later!
The guy was an idiot and a weirdo, and people laughed at him for that.
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| Quote: Jukesays "That was the first incident'"
Now I’m intrigued Jukes.
Not that interested on the 2nd event but deep down we’re all busybodies lol.
For me the important thing in this is that the club has acted swiftly and, I’m confident with integrity.
Our standards dropped for several seasons and at last we have head coach who is putting principles first and foremost.
Peet is going about his business quietly and professionally. It’s early days but so far I’m impressed with the lad.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "You wonder if he thought because it was Peet in charge he could take liberties. Peet is obviously a young coach, inexperienced and did not have that top level playing career and Hardaker has always struck me as a guy who rates himself higher than what most other people do. If that was the case, it’s a win for Peet and a feather in his cap to move forward with. There can be no doubt of his ability to make tough decisions.
A bit of short term pain for the squad losing a decent player but it could have plenty of long term gains.'"
Your last sentence is absolutely spot on.
The club expects it’s standards to be adhered to and reacts accordingly when they are not applied. This needs to be applied from the ground up to the top of the club.
I’m actually very upbeat about this because as you quite rightly said the long term gains are invaluable.
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| Quote: CobraCraig "although he would have dealt with Hurrell better than Bibby did last week.'"
This was a big blow to my confidence in Bibby tbh.
Up to this point, I've been a big advocate of him and that was predominantly based on his defensive efforts. As a reference point & I didn't want to tempt fate, but all the talk before the Wakey CC game was around Johnstone and how he's a danger. I personally wasn't worried, as I've seen him come up against Bibby a couple of times in recent seasons and I'm 100% confident in saying Bibby has had him in his back pocket, every single time (or at least defensively).
Now Hurrell ripped him a new one and it's undoubtedly damaged the rep Bibby has imo. I'm hoping he comes back from it, but for a lad who's there for his D, it's disappointing. I also can't help, buy think that if Gildart (a player I'm unsure about) was playing on GF, he'd have nailed the pass to Faz. We're then 4-0 up and it's different (especially when Field scores next).
Fine margins, but if you're gonna be weak in attack, you need to dominate in defence. Especially playing for a club that wants to win stuff.
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| Hearing from a very reliable source that Leeds have been in contact as have Fev.
Possibility he plays for Leeds for rest of this season then goes to Fev.
The amusing one given his issues is that Leigh have offered him the most money and are looking like a genuine option!
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| Quote: post "We should have held out and tried to sign Liam Tindall from Leeds, maybe its worth a bid for Connor Wrench from Warrington? Or both.
Or use the money for Will Pryce from Huddersfield?'"
If we sell Connor Wrench to anyone, I'll be straight to work on my 'Powell out' banner. The kid is a class act.
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| Quote: jonh "
Possibility he plays for Leeds for rest of this season then goes to Fev.
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that way he continues to be a SL player
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