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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



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Look harder. ( I don't mean shave your head and go on the steroids).[i

The message is to raise awareness that tmBlack lives havent always had that equality and still dont.
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Quote: post "Look harder. ( I don't mean shave your head and go on the steroids).[i

The message is to raise awareness that tmBlack lives havent always had that equality and still dont.
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I consider myself to be a pretty intelligent guy, but you really will have to show your workings out for that one I'm afraid.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "I consider myself to be a pretty intelligent guy, but you really will have to show your workings out for that one I'm afraid.'"


I think the whole argument to say black lives matter, if you need to say that then obviously you don't think they are valued as much as another. I don't think you can see the wood for the trees on that one.

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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: post "I think the whole argument to say black lives matter, if you need to say that then obviously you don't think they are valued as much as another. I don't think you can see the wood for the trees on that one.'"


I'll be honest, and I know your going to say that I dont want to get it or whatever, I have no idea what you mean?

Where have I said anything remotely like "black lives dont matter as much in THE UK?

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How can you say that black lives don't matter as much in the UK, what a load of rubbish. There are laws that protect people of ethnicity from being treated differently, anyone would think there were gangs of KKK rampaging through the streets lynching people. I think people get our history and Americas mixed up or they've watched too many films set in the deep South during the Jim Crow era.

All in all, it just goes to show why Politics sport shouldn't mix. Don't say it isn't politics because it is and reminds me of this advert from years ago.

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Because I'm a bit like egg chasing on this one, your going to have to show me your working out???

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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: post "I think the whole argument to say black lives matter, if you need to say that then obviously you don't think they are valued as much as another. I don't think you can see the wood for the trees on that one.'"


Same with this
What do you mean?

Black Lives Matter
It's a message
Nowhere have I said the Black Lives in whatever country are more important than Black Lives in another country.

I really am lost with your replies (and it doesnt sound like I'm the only one?)

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I think he is trying to say there is no racism in the UK a046.gif eusa_think.gif

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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: Wigg'n "I think he is trying to say there is no racism in the UK
If he is then , WOW! icon_eek.gif

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Quote: Wigg'n "I think he is trying to say there is no racism in the UK
I am saying 'Those that push the agenda makes the issue worse and create a divide where there wasn't one'. I believe that “People pushing the agenda are actually keeping racism alive and creating a divide..

Not saying there isn't racism, but the whole cause/phrase/political arm creates division. It is political, and politics and sport don't mix.

We are covering old ground and going around in circles.

People think that saying 'Black lives matter' and kneeling doesn't support the BLM movement/political side are living in cloud cuckoo land. Link arms rather than kneel, hold hands instead of kneeling, hug instead of kneeling, touch elbows instead of shaking hands or kneeling and call yourself 'Unite against Racism', 'Every Life Matters' etc.

Be inclusive about all forms of racism, if you are to do a gesture do a gesture of unity rather than subservience.

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Quote: Jukesays "If he is then , WOW!
Don't put words in my mouth.

A lot of people could give their views and opinions of Brexit, on Scottish independence, on Ireland, on China and Hong Kong, on Trump, on Battery Hens, on Global Warming, on the BBC and the license fee, everyone has opinions on all sorts of things. But I don't want to know the clubs opinion, they need to stick to being a rugby club.

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Quote: post "Don't put words in my mouth.

A lot of people could give their views and opinions of Brexit, on Scottish independence, on Ireland, on China and Hong Kong, on Trump, on Battery Hens, on Global Warming, on the BBC and the license fee, everyone has opinions on all sorts of things. But I don't want to know the clubs opinion, they need to stick to being a rugby club.'"


I wasn't putting words in your mouth (Someone else may have been)
I was saying I and now apparently at least 2 other people still have no idea what you meant by your previous response first of all to me saying or inferring that I'd said something about Blakc Lives don't matter as much in the UK
"How can you say that black lives don't matter as much in the UK, what a load of rubbish."

Where have I said that
2 other people have questioned where I said that and 3 x times you've responded with equally vague replies

I still have no idea what you meant by that, Would you like to explain???

As for the club not giving their opinion on other issues other than sporting ones, We've been round this circle before.
And in every instance when people give examples of the club getting behind other causes/messages it seems that Certain posters are ok with those, just not "Certain others" such as BLM or Gender issues.

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Quote: Jukesays "I wasn't putting words in your mouth (Someone else may have been)
I was saying I and now apparently at least 2 other people still have no idea what you meant by your previous response first of all to me saying or inferring that I'd said something about Blakc Lives don't matter as much in the UK
"How can you say that black lives don't matter as much in the UK, what a load of rubbish."

Where have I said that
2 other people have questioned where I said that and 3 x times you've responded with equally vague replies

I still have no idea what you meant by that, Would you like to explain???

As for the club not giving their opinion on other issues other than sporting ones, We've been round this circle before.
And in every instance when people give examples of the club getting behind other causes/messages it seems that Certain posters are ok with those, just not "Certain others" such as BLM or Gender issues.'"


That's what I took out of what you were saying, to clear things up.

I've made my stance pretty clear, politics and sport don't mix.

The club need to stick to being a rugby club and the players need to concentrate on playing rugby and keeping this sport alive.

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Quote: post "Don't put words in my mouth.'"


Yet that is exactly what you have done

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Quote: post "That's what I took out of what you were saying, to clear things up.

I've made my stance pretty clear, politics and sport don't mix.

The club need to stick to being a rugby club and the players need to concentrate on playing rugby and keeping this sport alive.'"


Well let's leave it at that as I was 100% not saying anything like that.

If yourself or others feel that way I.e. sport should just be sport I'm fine with that.
However that must be universal in EVERY subject because most subjects will offend someone one way or another (Take Armed Forces day for example, it could EASILY offend some people, not me BTW).

I just happen to believe that sport, music, arts, comedy etc are often are the leaders to political change and when done right can be for the main a positive.

With regards to the club, they shouldnt be telling the players to do anything, players themselves should be the leaders and make their own choices.

(As an aside read the story or watch the film of Peter Norman)
Some things are bigger than sport

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Quote: Jukesays "Well let's leave it at that as I was 100% not saying anything like that.

If yourself or others feel that way I.e. sport should just be sport I'm fine with that.
However that must be universal in EVERY subject because most subjects will offend someone one way or another (Take Armed Forces day for example, it could EASILY offend some people, not me BTW).

I just happen to believe that sport, music, arts, comedy etc are often are the leaders to political change and when done right can be for the main a positive.

With regards to the club, they shouldnt be telling the players to do anything, players themselves should be the leaders and make their own choices.

(As an aside read the story or watch the film of Peter Norman)
Some things are bigger than sport'"


That's your belief, that's fine.

My belief is the old saying 'Never talk politics and religion in polite company'.

When it comes to large organisations I prefer the Royal Family's way of dealing with things, by shutting the hell up and staying out of it because it will turn people against them.

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