And when all the younger players that we have brought in are good enough they will be away too. This president is up there with Faz going to union, it's more than just 1 player it's a message.

Summed it up perfectly and I'd like to add two more points;

1- Don't forget to add Madge to that list. Easily the biggest loss of all of the above. With him at the helm I'd be 200% more confident in our ability to compete than what I am under the Neanderthal

2- I bet Scott Taylor is gutted. He took the less financially beneficial offer on what I'd guess was a chance to play with guys like Hock, Tomkins, Hansen, Mossop etc.

I probably shouldn't list the 'Ins' because it's unfair on them and makes it seem like i'm slating them when I'm really not. They have some good potential but they won't fulfill it in a struggling team with bucket loads of pressure being heaped on them from the stands.

We look like a feeder club at the moment. We're famed for having the best academy system in superleague over these past 5 years + but i'm starting to wonder what's the point? Let's do a Huddersfield and go round trying to cherry pick young players from other teams when they're between 19-22 and just stick them in the first team. We'll probably not win anything but it'll save us putting 10 years of hard work in for little reward.

I think whether he goes or not it has made people realise we are not able to cope with the player drain we have already had. Each time a quality player has left such as Hoffman or Joel T I have usually been on here bemoaning the loss because the last thing you want to do ever is lose quality players before you really have to. Thew usual response was along the lines of anything from won't be missed to we can cope. Well there comes a time when if you let so much quality leave and fail to replace it you hit the brick wall.

Hoffman had the option to go and we could not control that but if we compound the out of contract players who are leaving by selling the like of Joel and then Hock its just unrealistic to expect the junior players to fill the gap.

As Jonh reminded me the last time we did this led us down a very bad path.

What is even more galling is while we are discussing this Bradford who a few weeks ago were up the financial creak without a paddle have today knocked back an approach by Leeds for one of their players.

rlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20140136rl

Contracts must be worth more in Yorkshire.

Meanwhile we are discussing our team being dismantled whether Hock goes or not.



Even if he did the level of cynicism developing may well suggest any five year deals are just so he can sell them for more dosh in 12 months time!

he has obviously been our best forward this year, i don't think anyone would argue that.

also if hock goes this could be a massive test for wane.

he will have to play the sqaud under a strict structure kind of like when madge first came (became abit to strict the 2nd season), before madge none of the players were really seen as qaulity as they are now.

a pack of,

mossop mcIlorum taylor
hansen hughes
o'loughlin

dudson
prescott
flower
luaki/farrell/lloyd/gelling

there should be enough meters and grunt in that pack, also play a strict game plane with less errors and penaltys. if madge was still coach i am not sure if hock would even be starting as he doesn't like unstructured plays.

The suggestion cashing in due to age and possible off field issues might be a good idea has been made on another forum already and I know some posters who post here post there.

We can't need it?

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This off field stuff? What is it, because if it is the same as last time Wigan would have to tell WADA and Hock would be banned, so that's not it.

Apparently the WEP will have IL's take on it tomorrow according to Phil Wilkinson on Twitter.

I can't see any good coming from this deal, our squad has been weakened so much in the last two years it beggers belief. Wane will be out of a job in 12 months because we won't win anything next year, then Sam's on his way. Great. More £££ in the bank.

I'm sick to death of people moaning about "ins and outs" over the past 2/3 seasons. The simple fact is, the salary cap prevents us from replacing top class players with top class players. There aren't enough top class players knocking about in super duper league and I suppose it's about bringing in the best of a bad bunch that will make us compete in SL, even if hock goes I'd still stay our squad is in the top 3 best in the league which speaks volumes for this league. Unless the cap changes this is how it will be from now on, the best players will go to union or the NRL. People moan about our signings but let me ask you this, who would you have rather had that was AVAILABLE. For Christ sake stop moaning and get on with it.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

Given he deliberately moved away from the way Madge did things why do you think he will do this? He clearly thought Madge's approach was wrong.



That pack will get beaten more often than it isn't and what happens if we pick up one or two injuries? Far too much pressure on Hansen and Lockers and if Wane continues with his nonsensical full contact training half of them [iwill [/ibe out injured 2/3 of the way through the season. Isn't Hughes destined for the centres anyway? Where you get the idea Hock wouldn't even get in a team coached by Madge God only knows.

Care to point me in the direction if the right tree?

The pack will get beaten more often than it isn't? Give over. Who will beat it apart from wire, leeds and possibly saints. All of a sudden we are a mid table team then? Even though we are playing in the WORST super league standards since super league began?

If we didn't sell 'em we wouldn't need to replace 'em would we!



When the quality is already at the club and we sell it then we are not looking at an availability problem are we?

As to availability then clearly anyone is available given the standard of player we are supposed to be making available ourselves. All we have to do is ask and for the right fee we can have who we like. Can't we? It's the way it seem to work when clubs come knocking on our door.

Westwood?