that was spin because a deal with Wigan had already been put in place, and they wanted fans and other clubs to think he was finishing.. Do you understand the concept of "Spin"?

1. HE HAS BEEN THERE BEST PLAYER THIS SEASON BY FAR

2. jonathan thurston, james tamou, matt scott have just had massive wage bumps when considered they was the best in the world in their position.

3. robert lui and brent tate have just signed new improved deals in robert lui case quite significantly.

3. they desperately need to sign a hooker it has been effecting them all season.

4. they have just signed lachlan coote to replace matty bowen anybody can clearly see that isn't an improvement.

like i said its a massive spin from the club and matty bowen wants to go back coaching so he wont speak out against it.

So The Tomkins deal was only finalised last week yet Wigan had already put the deal in place with Matty Bowen?

What would of happened if the Tomkins deal hadn't come off?

The club even told one supporter that the first contact they had with NZW was 10 days ago.

Seems like there may be a lot of spin coming out of our club as well!!

You better ask the posters who know all the answers.. I'm just a happy clapper

Obviously he should not have let Sam Tomkins go. I know that is an unfashionable suggestion and one you have dismissed from your thoughts as not remotely sensible or possible but it is simply the truth of the matter. The fact the best out there is Bowen only adds to the reasoning to do so. Happy now?



Consider yourself enlightened. Carry on clapping.

I do but I don't think you do, except when you practice it yourself as above and in your previous post

Spin is not telling outright lies. Parr would have been lying if when he said what he did for your position to be correct and you are far too ready to effectively label Parr as not only as manipulative and as cynical as any political spin doctor but as basically a liar.

This happens a lot. Someone posts a link to some club officials comments that doesn't fit with someone else view of the world and its suddenly "spin" (when half the time they are really being accused of outright lies). It's the ultimate cop out argument right up there with "the coach is always right".

I dont have twitter but not 1 wigan fan or the wigan warriors twitter account has welcomed him online.

Lenagan out!

Never really gone on there in the past as I found it too insular.

However got intrigued so!

Returned today to find more threads slagging IL off in one day than I think I've ever started in 8 years of posting !
I thought certain posters were obsessed with pushing their agendas but this is more than that, it seems almost bordering on personal dislike or vendetta (probably struggling to find the right word here but I think you'll grit through gist).
There's not 1 opportunity missed to get a dig in.
Weird

It's always the same tone, ring-led by the same small group of malcontents.

I stopped bothering with it years ago, though I occasionally go over there to have a giggle.

I'm going to put something out there that I do not think has been said. Matty Bowen on this years form is a better player than Sam Tomkins currently is.

I personally think our team will improve on this year in that position.

Bowen is the complete fully developed fullback, his game is rounded in all aspects, he offers everything that Tomkins does, but is safer and positionally better.

Tomkins is going to the NRL in the hope of reaching his undoubtedly huge potential, as he was never going to reach that in Super League.

Obviously the issue is that ones stock is on the rise in Tomkins and one is on the decline due to where they are in their respective careers, but personally I believe next year we will be stronger in the full back position than we have been.

Controversial!

I see where your coming from but haven't seen enough of Bowen to comment. I believe he's pretty good under the high ball and in defence which are two areas people question in regards to Tomkins fullback play.

We'll see how he goes. If they manage him well and give him rests like Tomkins has had this year he shouldn't be too much of a drop in quality. It certainly doesn't worry me like going from Carmont to Thornley did for example.