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Quote: Father Ted "Spending half your turnover is still a salary cap, as it was set at 50%.
There are all sorts of remedies for improving British Rugby League and most are around improving the cap.
Some want it at 50%
Others believe that an inflation figure put in each year would keep the purchasing power the same where without it there is a decrease in the real money you can spend.
Quite a few people think that any player under 21 should be excluded from the salary cap. This is done in the Championship.
Then there are those who are like me and think it is a complete waste of time always has been and always will be.
It was set up in 1996 to stop clubs going broke, failed in 1997 and every year since when clubs have got into financial difficulties.
Then we were told it was to create a level playing field. That's absolute rubbish, five teams don't even spend £1.6m so how can it be a level playing field?
Since SL started the standard has dropped dramatically.
Someone mentioned the World Cup.
We got smashed by Australia in Melbourne.
We played there 1992 when our best wingman was Martin Offiah.
Our best wingman last year was Ade Gardner. What a drop that is"!
1992 our loose forwards were Ellery Hanley & Phil Clarke.
2008 the 13s were Sinfield and Purdham, Hanley to Purham isn't a drop in standards, its falling off a cliff.
1992 the halves were Edwards, Gregory & Schofield. Last year Pryce, McGuire and Burrow. Another massive fall in player quality.
We all know this but its the Super League Club Chairmen who makes the rules and Ian Lenagan like the rest think the salary cap is truly wonderful.
None of them ever talk about the drop in quality just rubbish about an even competition and level playing fields. Whatever those two things are!
The need to improve the quality of the players, quality of Rugby, improve the competitions and improve our International Squad.
Since Super League started and the salary cap imposed standards have dropped.
The decline needs reversing but we don't have people making the rules who even begin to think that we are in decline.
Unless the SLCC reverse their policy of decline then we are in real trouble.'"


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Quote: cherrydevil "Wigan averaging 20,000 fans
If Wigan signed the likes of Lockyer, Mason, Sonny Bill Williams or someone similar in reputation and we were challenging for honours we could quite easily average 20,000 or thereabouts.

Same goes for Leeds and maybe Hull FC or Hull KR.

Saints could average 16,000 same with Warrington, Catalans and Bradford.

Celtic should not be in superleague, they could be in time but they need more time to establish roots.

Halifax or Widnes should be in instead.

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Quote: post "If Wigan signed the likes of Lockyer, Mason, Sonny Bill Williams or someone similar in reputation and we were challenging for honours we could quite easily average 20,000 or thereabouts.

Same goes for Leeds and maybe Hull FC or Hull KR.

Saints could average 16,000 same with Warrington, Catalans and Bradford.

Celtic should not be in superleague, they could be in time but they need more time to establish roots.

Halifax or Widnes should be in instead.'"


Again if it is so easy then why has no club ever done it before. You are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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fetch my whippet and flat cap and im going blackpool on holiday.

Have some ambition and see the long term. If league doesn't expand it will be dead on its arris in 20 years.

Anything has long as Wigan are leading the way is all im hearing through all self pitying nonsense.

The only thing wrong with the game is the way it's marketed. Top product that people don't know enough about

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Quote: cherrydevil "Again if it is so easy then why has no club ever done it before. You are living in cloud cuckoo land.'"


It has never been done because we are artificially held back by the salary cap. With relegation being scrapped we will see more youngsters being blooded which is good because there seems to be a lot of good players with lots of potential, when they progress and get older and better a time will come when they move on to another club or another good player moves on due to salary cap or a better offer at another club, sharing the talent will only dillute the comp.

If you let the teams spend what they earn you will get the hardworking clubs being rewarded because at the minute what is the point of any club making more than 4 million? There is none because they can't do anything with it! If you take away that restraint and say you can spend half of what you earn clubs will make more of an effort to get the fans in for games and fans will buy more merchandise and go to more games because it is funding the wages for a potential new star player therefore their team gets better due to them spending the cash on the club.

Reward the hard working clubs on and off the field, let us spend what we earn!

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Quote: cherrydevil "Again if it is so easy then why has no club ever done it before. You are living in cloud cuckoo land.'"


not really. if wigan can average 14k now then put a few star players out and start getting to finals and the crowds would shoot up. 18k would be easily achievable within the next 2 years IMO and then 20k 2 or so years further on in the future….problem is can we get success and star players under the current CC restrictions and thus up our crowds?. How you can say that is cloud cuckoo land tho is ridiculous.

Wigan RL are actually marketed now, where we weren’t previously, and a lot of our new fans are new fans under the age of 18 who have not watched us in the past. I would say theres approximately 2-3 k of them every week in the SS. Get a bit of success and youd double the young fans figure overnight, and add 2k on the gate, plus the success would bring many fans (the fairweathers) back, including a couple of thousand gloryboys currently watching the pathetics!! Thats 18k straight away. I actually know a number of people who were wigan rl before but are now pathetically a shatics fan....along with a number who dont actually watch us at the moment or only keep a passing interest because we're doing nothing and are boring.

Tbh far from being at saturation point our current 14 k is actually near enough our CORE support at the moment, which has gone up from a core support of approximately only 7-8k when we moved to the JJB who would follow through thick and thin. Get a bit of success and our crowds could be mega.....Support wise wigan RL are actually stronger now than we ever have been, despite the pathetics presence in the Prima Donna League. The only issue is that our crowds will inevitably decline if we continue like the last 10 years....its a wonder our crowds havent already tbh.

Just because it hasnt been done before doesnt mean its 'cloud cuckoo land'......if everyone had your attitude we'd still be making fire with sticks and hunting our food!!
icon_rolleyes.gif how do you think the telephone was invented?, the TV?

20k gates are achievable and are in our current chairman's business plan (if he can shift the current coach and bring in a bit of class)

The only team who getting those gates is cloud cuckoo land is wire as their little 5h1tty ground is not big enough icon_wink.gif

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The salary cap is like putting weights on Usain Bolts feet.

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Quote: Leyland Warrior "Thats a pretty broadbrush statement you've just made there.
Now, if you want to keep any credibility at --- Justify it.
From where do you draw that conclusion? What research have you done?
As a percentage of Wigans population, what figure would consitute the club reaching 'saturation' point?
Show me your stats, then i [imight[/i just take you seriously.
I have justified my viewpoint far more than those that are saying it is easy to have an average attendance of 20,000 pal. The fact that no other club has done it before, or even really come close, is one strong argument that it is not easy to do so. We can all pluck figures out of thin air and I would love all clubs to average 20,000 but I can be realistic as well. For every 15,000 crowd against Harlequins, Catalan, Salford et al (which you dont even get against these clubs anyway) you would have to get a sell out 25,000 one to compensate. Now correct me if I am wrong but Wigan have only ever done this against Saints at the JJB and even then there have been far more occasions when it hasnt been sold out then when it has.

Wigan is one of the few places where RL is the number one sport and yet they have never come close to averaging 20,000. It is a fairly average sized town and just about every one that could play and like RL already does. A vast majority of these already go to games and Wigan are not going to start getting thousands more to go to games. If anything with the rise of Wigan Athletic and more and more youngsters growing up as Latics fans instaed of United and Liverpool etc ones then things could even go the other way. Yes Wigan may get an extra few thousand with more success but that will still leave them a long way short of an average of 20,000. They couldnt even get this in the 80s and 90s, way before the time of the salary cap which Wigan fans are so fond of blaming.

As I said Leeds is the only club in SL at the moment that has a chnce of getting this. It is a big city with a big population. It even has 60,000+ students in Headingley to attract. There are also great swathes of the city that are not particularly into RL. They therefore have plenty of potential converts to RL and may have a chance. However Wigan do not.

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I would be happy if we actually scored off a set move.

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Quote: p1e e8ter "I would be happy if we actually scored not off a kick'"


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Quote: cherrydevil "If anything with the rise of Wigan Athletic and more and more youngsters growing up as Latics fans instaed of United and Liverpool etc ones then things could even go the other way.'"

overblown
Did you even read the previous posts that were being discussed? I would agree that Wigan are doing well and I would say that them and Cas do the best in SL. However that isnt really the argument and what you say just backs up what I was saying.

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