Keep him. For the amusement value he offers.

Have Wigan won something in the last few years . I must have been stuck on the M6 travelling South .

I really must keep up to date .

Regards , EW

This is about loyalty, but the question is who are you loyal to, the club or Wane? If Wane isn't performing it's harming the club, Wigan's goal is always the same thing; to win, win games, win silverware. If Wane can't deliver then we must say goodbye and stand by the club.

No player or coach is bigger than the club. It sounds like if Wane left and went to coach Leigh for example, you'd be loyal to him and support Leigh.

Loyal 18 is about being loyal to Wigan, not Wane.

So was I
And trust me neither of those was worse to me than being stood at Hunselt in 1981 and watching their fans offering bets giving Wigan 6 start!!!
relegation at Cas 6/7 months earlier was unbelievable, numbing like you were in some kind of Nightmare!
God knows how the fans who could remember the 50/60's felt! It was bad enough being 9/10 and going through it!

We had a squad in 86 & 87 that should have won the Challenge Cup but were knocked out by Cas at home in 86 & OLDHAM 87 (

Well said Jukes.

I am one who started watching around 1957/8 time.
When people were complaining before about being knocked out of the C Cup 2 years running it reminded me that we went 20 years from 1965 before winning the trophy again.
That did seem a very long time then. It now seems a long time ago.

Thing is with Shaun Wane, he's no different from other Wigan coaches in that he's expected to reach finals and win trophies regularly.
If he does he's safe,
If he doesn't he isn't safe.
No one will know that better than Shaun.

Jukesays .
That's about the best posting I have ever seen on all the forums. As a rhinos fan (formerly Leeds RL) I had the dubious pleasure of seeing us years ago being beaten on a regular basis by all and sundry in lancashire. So our recent success has been well worth waiting for.
When I saw the knives out for Cunningham at saints I thought that was poor form.
The lads in his first season give him a break.

Ahem

Wigan won't win another trophy whilst SW is head coach....

How long will it take SW to realise Joel Tomkins can't pass off his left hand, not good when you're playing right centre.

Very poor team selection tonight - Bowen should not have played both last Sunday and tonight. ( See post on Bowen thread).
Wane's blind loyalty to Smith and Powell is at times incomprehensible. A big ( 4 prop/second row bench) worked against Leeds. This is what Saints had and Roby played the full 80. MM may need a short rest ( as he did for 10 minutes against Leeds) but using Powell as a bench 9 is a luxury we can't afford. Sutton should have been on the bench to add some much needed size.
The above contributed to Wigan's defeat just as much as the appalling individual errors. And surely Rocky at 6 and Williams at 7 is worth a go? They can't be more ineffective than the current combination. Smith has been disappointing far too often this season - the argument that he brings much needed experience to the team doesn't stand up if he doesn't bring any tangible benefits to the performance of the team.

Absolutely not the case.

They took over when you say but we got to Wembley in 1984 to lose to Widnes. We won it in 1985 and you suggest it took to 1987 to see the impact?

Seven years my backside. You are making stuff up so you can agree with yourself.

Wigan need to get rid of SW.
A once very attractive team to watch has become the total opposite.

Whilst typing I was more certain that you would be the one to respond in this fashion than I was that Mugwump would suddenly appear after 2 months away if saints won last night.

I thought coming runner up in a comp didn't satisfy your lofty high standards Dave?
Which but am I "making up so I can agree with myself" comments are you talking about?

You can believe what you want, it took till 1987 to make Wigan the no1 side.
Along the way there were many blips, dissect it as much as you want but we did lose to cas and Oldham, we did win only 1 CC, we didn't win the league etc
So 1 CC was good enough back then but 2 and 2 league titles isn't now?

You can argue and think what you like and to be honest I couldn't care less.
But I won't take making things up to suit myself which is basically saying selective memory from one of the 2 biggest guilty parties of that (the others on the other board after being banned from here and most people know who I mean).

So go on rip me to shreds, it'll probably be my grammar next.
On the other board I gave my views a couple of months back about Wanes high risk game.plan and that I actually agreed in large parts with cpw.
I just don't agree with the turn everything and slant it and ram it down everyone's throats a million times to suit your agenda and cpw does that far too much.

Wanes got some time, how much it 1 man knows.

I'm just prepared to take the rough which there's not been much (and if you think there has then go back 30/40 years and think how bad that was or imagine supporting Leigh, Batley, Swindon, clubs that have had real problems) with the smooth and 2CC and 2 GFs plus 3/4 other trophies i.e. lls and finals is not bad in my book.

I've always had impeccable timing.