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| Quote: FearTheVee "So why did Noble sign a centre (Gleeson) and a winger (Roberts)?
He should have ignored Riddell and Roberts, shifted TL to 9 to play with McIlorum and signed a 7 and a prop.'"
I think your dead right there mate
We signed a winger and a hooker when we needed a prop and stand off.
Phelps
Ainscough
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Carmont
Richards
*STAND OFF*
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McIlorum
That should have been what the side shaped up like but recruitment made was the wrong choice of players (apart from Gleeson)
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| Quote: AJ "Did Noble make these buys. Its well known he didn't want Riddell.'"
Its a poor state of affairs if he didn't, it makes it harder for the chairman to sack noble if he buys players the coach doesnt want. Who is running WRLC ?
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| Quote: Red Hot Jalapeno "He didnt really want Riddell,he wanted a stand off and was obsessed with us getting Greg Bird and i fail to believe he was happy with such a weak front row.
The signing of Gleeson was a good one but as i said to you hes not going to make much difference when the forwards are getting crushed. IL now needs to do everything in his power to get a prop quickly and next season a proper halfback.'"
This is what im asking. Who is making the signings. This doesn't look like a BN squad.
Its lacking a world class half back and 2 world class props.
Gleeson has sorted the backs, we now have 3 wingers for 2 positions, Richards is never ever a fullback.
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| Quote: AJ "Did Noble make these buys. Its well known he didn't want Riddell.'"
Lol Noble probably didn’t want Riddell but to start to suggest Noble isn’t signing players but instead it’s IL doing it is laughable. It just goes how far some people we go to defend Noble and the straws they will clutch at.
It’s pure fantasy to think that Noble would still be here if he wasn’t allowed to sign the players he wanted simple as! Why would any coach stay at a club when the owner is interfering in such a big aspect of the coaches job.
If it is true then Noble needs to grow a back bone. Either way it’s laughable or Noble is a wimp/puppet neither one is welcome as Wigan’s head coach imo.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Lol Noble probably didn’t want Riddell but to start to suggest Noble isn’t signing players but instead it’s IL doing it is laughable. It just goes how far some people we go to defend Noble and the straws they will clutch at.
It’s pure fantasy to think that Noble would still be here if he wasn’t allowed to sign the players he wanted simple as! Why would any coach stay at a club when the owner is interfering in such a big aspect of the coaches job.
If it is true then Noble needs to grow a back bone. Either way it’s laughable or Noble is a wimp/puppet neither one is welcome as Wigan’s head coach imo.'"
Im not defending him. I have said in other threads, time has past for Noble at Wigan.
I am askign questions that need to be answered.
Why didnt we sign the halfback & prop that Stevie Wonder could see we needed?
Why sign Roberts - he isn't a Noble player and wasn't needed.
Gleeson fair enough.
Who actually bought Riddell and why didn't we sign Ennis?
Who made these decisions - they are responsible for alot of our problems.
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| Quote: Andy Greg "Wont happen till the end of the season Think about it in real terms. For Noble to be sacked now the club would have to pay his contract up which would probably cost £100,000 then if we wanted a top coach and i would think all the best ones are employed it would cost the club again in a fee to the club he works for plus his wages. '"
Unless it's in his contract the club does not have to pay him up fully. They can negotiate a severance package and in any case the longer we go into the season the less paying him up costs.
But it if did cost £100K so what? If IL wants to change coach or isn't going to renew Nobles contract then he must weigh up what the cost is of keeping him on. My guess is lost gate money will easily cost more than that.
And that is only the financial cost. The cost in terms of what state the team will be in come the end of the season if we carry on like this is anyone's guess and a new coach would have to inherit that.
In short if the decision has been made on Noble's future and he is not going to get a new deal then he needs to go now not later.
Quote: Andy Greg "Then he would want to bring in his own backroom staff again costing money to pay up the ones we have now that he want rid of also he would want to buy in players your probably looking in the region of around £300.000 if not more its not worth it for now. The time to make the changes is end of season move people out and bring new ones in and start a fresh next year. There is no relegation so there is no panic all the change the coach with the change of wind direction is not what we need.'"
The money issue is IMO largely irrelevant. As I said the financial cost of keeping Noble on could well exceed the cost of getting rid. The last reason we need to keep him is because it is in some way too difficult to get rid.
It's just the same old "we need stability" argument rehashed.
The only reasons Noble should keep his job are positive ones if anyone can find any. I don't see the financial cost (or the idea we need stability when it has failed to deliver) as a positive reason to keep him on.
Dave
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| There was much talk of 4 meeting a year regarding recruitment when IL first came to the club between himself and the coach, i would suggest it is not as cut and dried pinning the recruitment issue to either one if these recruitment meetings have gone on both need to question there actions.
What i will say is good players which Riddell and Roberts undoubtedly are going off previous form do not suddenly become poor players over night, the issue for me runs deeper than this and mainly at the hands of the coach, who is simply unable to utilise them in the correct way on the field.
Riddell for example is a creative hooker, but can do sod all when presented with no options.
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| Quote: AJ "Im not defending him. I have said in other threads, time has past for Noble at Wigan.
I am askign questions that need to be answered.
Why didnt we sign the halfback & prop that Stevie Wonder could see we needed?
Why sign Roberts - he isn't a Noble player and wasn't needed.
Gleeson fair enough.
Who actually bought Riddell and why didn't we sign Ennis?
Who made these decisions - they are responsible for alot of our problems.'"
I agree but when I questioned the signing of Roberts a year early when it happened I was accused of simply having a pop at IL.
I must have been saying we need a prop for about three seasons now and I have consistently expressed my reservations over TL since he arrived. TL is a player who IMO gives 100% but in his first couple of seasons was inconsistent and now I think it is plain why NZ moved him to 9.
Dave
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| Quote: DannyT "Set up a sub-forum on here to post constructively why he should no longer 'coach' us. Enough is enough, Wigan RLFC with a 3 from 10 win record at the start of a season is simply unacceptable. EVERY coach who has lost his job in the recent past has gone for less, let alone a man who is no coming up to 3 years or so in charge who has had enough TIME to stamp his mark on the team.
RIP season 2009'"
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| If the management is interfering in recruitment then that needs to be tackled FIRST. It undermines the coach completely and threatens to disrupt team cohesion.
Under such divisive circumstances it's not difficult to imagine cliques forming with one side claiming the other has no right to be at the club. Especially if results aren't good.
What RL coach genuinely (not solely for monetary reason) wants to work in such an atmosphere with his hands tied behind his back?
It's insane.
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| Quote: Mugwump "If the management is interfering in recruitment then that needs to be tackled FIRST. It undermines the coach completely and threatens to disrupt team cohesion.
Under such divisive circumstances it's not difficult to imagine cliques forming with one side claiming the other has no right to be at the club. Especially if results aren't good.
What RL coach genuinely (not solely for monetary reason) wants to work in such an atmosphere with his hands tied behind his back?
It's insane.'"
Completely agree.........but it happens.
I am not saying it's currently happening at Wigan, but one or two of the aquisitions (or lack of) do raise a few questions.
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Completely agree.........but it happens.
I am not saying it's currently happening at Wigan, but one or two of the aquisitions (or lack of) do raise a few questions.'"
It isn't happening at Wigan. All signings are discussed by the coach and the board before any decisions are made, and the coach can veto any one of them.
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| Quote: Cruncher "It isn't happening at Wigan. All signings are discussed by the coach and the board before any decisions are made, and the coach can veto any one of them.'"
Then that's great news.
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| Quote: Cruncher "It isn't happening at Wigan. All signings are discussed by the coach and the board before any decisions are made, and the coach can veto any one of them.'"
"You can't assure us of any such thing. You're a fan, just like us"
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| Quote: Mugwump ""You can't assure us of any such thing. You're a fan, just like us"'"
Good to see that comment hit home.
But as I said before, our conversation's over.
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