Just not very good is it?

I'm afraid it's a carbon copy of last season. Apparent good start and then dross followed by the odd game to paper over the cracks. That will be theme of the season. It's just garbage. Powell, Isa, Singleton, and Tommy are glaring weaknesses though Tommy has a bit to offer. Bateman has been woeful since he re-signed. Halsall, McDonnell, Smith, Partington and Smithies just won't ever make it to a good enough level to play in a team challenging for trophies. If O'Neill can't get in front of Powell then he must be bang average too, that or the coaches pick favourites over form (where have i seen that before?) The season is young but looks like it will soon ebb away. I had us for finishing 6th but i was expecting some improvement and not to just rely on Field to do it all himself.

Overplaying and errors are what are knocking us here. Last year we wouldn’t have been 10-0 down still driving up the middle making 3-4m a carry. We may have got in to the cas half but would have had no way of scoring

Its not great but its nothing like last season.

Errors so frustrating.

Our defence is p*ss poor is worrying we seemed to have gone backwards in defensive terms

Just not good enough!!!!

Seriously disappointing stuff. Not just because we struggled to beat a team with all kinds of disadvantages, but because it feels like amateur night all over again.

We make so many pathetic mistakes. We are chock full of players who just can't seem to keep their minds on what they are doing. Plus, we have quite a few players who are plain bang-average.

We truly are worlds away from St Helens, or even the standards we ourselves were setting only a few years ago.

There's doing it tough and then there's not having Mago on for the whole of the 1st half (I think) and then did he do 18 or so mins in the 2nd? I might have missed him, but I'm sure I didn't.

Tonight kinda reinforces my argument from another thread. We need another prop or big body in the pack. Partington and Smithies did well (Partington was excellent in parts), but are they really back up options? The squad, imo, isn't well balanced in between the different positions.

I had us down as a solid 6 out of 10 at half time. The odd glimpse of good stuff with the odd defensive blunder.

When we went 28-6 up after our purple patch of 10-15 mins I was prepared to increase to 6 out of 10. But after switching off completely, allowing Cas to rip us apart down the middle I'm afraid its 5/10 at best overall. And I think I'm being generous.

That was awful, a decent team would put forty on us at this moment in time and it needs sorting, I may be being unkind due to us losing two forwards but it's been showing for four weeks now.

We are better with the ball than last year, and worse without it. Overall are we improved? Probably, but only just.

There's a long way to go, and lot of improvement needed. Luckily you only need a decent 3 weeks at the end of the season to have a chance.

I can't believe we took the knee for Ukraine. Damn politics infiltrating sporting events

As daft as it sounds we are not far away from being a very good side in my opinion.

Holding us back, I feel, is our lack of ability to consistently maintain the intensity of our play. I still believe there is an attitude issue where arrogance overtakes performance and we switch off.

Saints are the marker and they are ruthless they don’t switch off.

This year is our last transitional year in my opinion. I do believe we have poorly managed contracts, Isa and Smith for example.

Isa has been a wonderful servant to the club, but he’s a declining force and any attacking play is stunted when he gets his hands on the ball. He’s also very similar to the edge forwards we have we desperately in my opinion need size in the secondrow.

Tommy/Smith.

Not even close to a debate. We must sign a half when Tommy retires. Smith to be fair put in 2 good kicks, but once again was anonymous and also came up with the now standard pass to the floor and pass into touch.