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| To expect champagne rugby with a team missing it's best players is asking too much. The team have exceeded what a lot of fans thought they could achieve. We have lost games we should have won and the won games we had no right to. The team has fought to get to the play offs. And if you look objectively at the performances has produced it's best rugby when needed in the must win games.
I would sooner be going to the GF having played our best rugby of the season at the right time of the season, than being happy making the top eight.
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| Quote The Reaper="The Reaper"Is it? I happen to agree, but if you lose on Saturday and then lose the next 2 Grand Finals as well, will reaching 6 grand finals in a row still be a great achievement or will you make up a song about it?'"
Good question (honest). I guess we'll have to get back to you in two years' time.
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| Quote stpatricks="stpatricks"To expect champagne rugby with a team missing it's best players is asking too much. The team have exceeded what a lot of fans thought they could achieve. We have lost games we should have won and the won games we had no right to. The team has fought to get to the play offs. And if you look objectively at the performances has produced it's best rugby when needed in the must win games.
I would sooner be going to the GF having played our best rugby of the season at the right time of the season, than being happy making the top eight.'"
I never expected champagne rugby, I expected us to look like we had a clue how to move the ball around and open up a defence, something we were a long way from for a lot of this season. As I say, I'm hoping lessons have been learned.
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"FWIW - Win this Saturday and IMO it will be the Best Championship/League against the odds win we will have had since Mission impossible 91.
Every one of those Naff performances where we had between 6 & 12 players out yet still managed to scrape wins will have played a major part in our achievement.
I tend to try and take positives and each one of those wins, which in isolation we in most cases had no right to win those games, has given this set of players something you can't coach, the ability to win against the odds, never say die attitude etc.
Even though I agree the expected upturn in performances that I expected didn't happen, without those wins earlier in the season we would not have been in the position to win those Super8 & Play off games.
Whether you want to credit the players, the coaches, the club
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Whether you want to criticise the players, the coach, the club
Nobody surely can deny it is a remarkable achievement to be in this position given the consistent decimation of the team through injury and dare I say suspension throughout the season.'"
Very true , and when have our best run of games happened ? At the business end of the season
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"As would those who think getting to a final is the be all and end all and the rest of the season is incidental.
We have had stronger and weaker teams all through the season and the performances have been naff for the most part and have cost us the LLS and resulted in another exit from the Challenge Cup. So if Wane is responsible for the performances to get us to the GF in recent weeks what was he up to for the rest of the season? The fact an injury hit team has played as it has recently undermines the injury excuse. Why not before?
I agree with Grimmy, something has to change whatever happens in the GF as the problem with the attack has not just been this season. It has declined three seasons in a row and you could reasonably argue it was a factor in last seasons narrow loss to Leeds when we had them under the cosh at one stage and let them off the hook.'"
Every silver lining has a cloud? You should try supporting one of the many other clubs who haven't had silverware for an age or would dream of getting to the end of the season in second place.
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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"Every silver lining has a cloud? You should try supporting one of the many other clubs who haven't had silverware for an age or would dream of getting to the end of the season in second place.'"
So by your logic, we should forget or even ignore how poor we have been because we've got to a final and just applaud everything, challenge nothing and look to maintain status quo? Sorry, I can't do that, it's great that we've got to the GF, it's also shocking how poor we have been at times. I'm sure Wane understands how bad we have been at times, I'm sure IL understands it and I'm sure both will look to improve.
Yes we can all cheer and celebrate getting to the final, we can also highlight our major weakness, work on it and come back a better team next year.
Why this is a crime I've no idea, I'd consider sticking my head in the sand and not mention our obvious weaknesses as far more of a crime.
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| Quote ChrisA="ChrisA"So by your logic, we should forget or even ignore how poor we have been because we've got to a final and just applaud everything, challenge nothing and look to maintain status quo? Sorry, I can't do that, it's great that we've got to the GF, it's also shocking how poor we have been at times. I'm sure Wane understands how bad we have been, I'm sure IL understands it and I'm sure both will look to improve.
Yes we can all cheer and celebrate getting to the final, we can also highlight our major weakness, work on it and come back a better team next year.
Why this is a crime I've no idea, I'd consider sticking my head in the sand and not mention our obvious weaknesses as far more of a crime.'"
You could also stick your head in the sand and ignore the injuries,The come from behind wins, it's a team that has come through a season with more positives than negatives. Can they improve? Yes they can the last month has seen that. Better Wigan teams have been nowhere near the GF so credit where it's due to the players and coaching team.
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| Quote ChrisA="ChrisA"So by your logic, we should forget or even ignore how poor we have been because we've got to a final and just applaud everything, challenge nothing and look to maintain status quo? Sorry, I can't do that, it's great that we've got to the GF, it's also shocking how poor we have been at times. I'm sure Wane understands how bad we have been, I'm sure IL understands it and I'm sure both will look to improve.
Yes we can all cheer and celebrate getting to the final, we can also highlight our major weakness, work on it and come back a better team next year.
Why this is a crime I've no idea, I'd consider sticking my head in the sand and not mention our obvious weaknesses as far more of a crime.'"
You could also stick your head in the sand and ignore the injuries,The come from behind wins, it's a team that has come through a season with more positives than negatives. Can they improve? Yes they can the last month has seen that. Better Wigan teams have been nowhere near the GF so credit where it's due to the players and coaching team.
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| Quote stpatricks="stpatricks"You could also stick your head in the sand and ignore the injuries,The come from behind wins, it's a team that has come through a season with more positives than negatives. Can they improve? Yes they can the last month has seen that. Better Wigan teams have been nowhere near the GF so credit where it's due to the players and coaching team.'"
I haven't though, I've commended our defense, I've commended our heart and spirit and never say die attitude. I just dont put our poor attacking form down to injuries, because it's been poor for much longer than this season. I find my view very balanced, I comment on the good and the bad, what's more middle ground than that?
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| Quote ChrisA="ChrisA"Good post. I've been as negative as they come, and I still have my opinions. I've never doubted he gets us fired up, we have heart and spirit by the bucket full. For me though, we have massively underperformed for the majority of the season, regardless of injuries. If there were the usual strong teams we would not be in the final, it's only the fact that SL is at an all time low, that a team so poor in attack with so many injuries can finish second and get to the GF.
This takes nothing away from the players, they have been up against it all season with injuries and dare I say, the tactics they seem to have been forced to stick with all year. They've had no choice but to be good in defence because or attack has been so drab and predictable. It's only now that we've binned it that the players are allowed to express themselves and play some rugby and look like they enjoy it. It's testament to the teams heart and defensive efforts that we've got there because it sure as hell isn't our attacking prowess.
All that said, no way can he be sacked, however I hope to God he has learned lessons this year, he's learned what works defensively and hopefully he's learned what definitely doesn't work in our attack.'"
I think that pretty much sums it up quite accurately from my point of view.
It will be interesting to see what other new signings will be announced over the next few weeks because although we have shown depth in the squad we are still palpably short of an experienced centre, goal kicker, winger and a 13 if SOL retires.
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| enjoyed the last month but glad I dont have a season ticket anymore
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| Quote ChrisA="ChrisA"I haven't though, I've commended our defense, I've commended our heart and spirit and never say die attitude. I just dont put our poor attacking form down to injuries, because it's been poor for much longer than this season. I find my view very balanced, I comment on the good and the bad, what's more middle ground than that?'"
I'm not saying that the way the attack has functioned is just down to injuries, some of the play has been like junior level. My view is that the team have worked to a limited game plan and I think that has a lot to do with the players missing. They have made their way to the final games of the season with a shot of winning something. When it has mattered against Wire, Hull x 2 the players have produced the attacking skills to get the wins.
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