The Leeds collapse as you put it was caused by the pressure put on them by Wigan in the first half. I said to the Mrs at half time if I were a betting man I'd put mind on Wigan pulling away in the last 20. If we were a bit more clinical then we would have scored 50 last night. I'm not too concerned about that, what's important as the players are running decent lines and creating chances.

Tell me why you feel entertained, explain how you think our attack is great, the last third of last season and the start of this has been like watching a Brian noble team. Explain to me how a team that's has the same core of players and same coach can look so clueless and disjointed. I'd love you to explain that to me.

It's only the fact everyone else seems marginally worse than we are that these sub-par performances see us 5 from 5 and why the Aussies are light years in front of us. What is embarrassing is that fact we can play this badly in attack and not lose a game, it's embarrassing for SL as a whole.

If we were 5 from 5 and playing some great rugby I'd be on here commenting. If we were average I'd probably say nothing, the fact we seem to have no idea baffles me, hence the topic.

I agree 100% with you.
With so much possession last night we genuinely should have scored at least 50 points.
What I would say is that we have a great defence and will be very to beat. We will also be very hard to watch. The atmosphere in the first half was as lively as a Jewish pork pie shop.
There were a couple of positives for me though in that I thought Sutton and Gildart both played well and Clubb had his best game for quite a while.

There was little great football on show, and maybe that is a minor cause for concern, but you're wrong to suggest that was a poor performance. Wigan applied very strong defensive pressure on Leeds for the whole game. No one else in SL could have lived with that. Hence Leeds were exhausted just trying to get out of their own half. Hence they collapsed in the second half - in other words the plan worked.

Personally I thought Leeds were lucky not to be routed. They deserve some credit for that, though it was also our fault for forcing the pass now and then, taking the wrong option etc. We're not perfect but we are getting better by the week, with lots of quality still to return to action, and of course we've got a full set of points. I don't see how you can be as upset as you say you are.

I can't believe some of our "fans". We could go a season unbeaten, win everything including the WCC next year Yet some would find something to moan about.

I sit around a group each week who continually bag Tautai and say he's the worst prop we've ever had yet in my eyes, he's started this season well and you have to give him another chance yet they continue to go on and on.

The majority of the negative fans I come across seem to be still in the early 90s mindset where RL was completely one sided and we ran riot with no salary cap etc.

Get a grip and celebrate a great start to the season for a change!

I think you have hit the nail on the head.... Some of the negativity on here is laughable. The overall problem in the English SL is that there is not enough money in the game, so we can't bring in big names... Wane plays that situation as well as anyone with a broad based squad without stars. Lets not forget that the players we have injured are key players, ST, injuries permitting, has the potential to be the most effective and influential players in the league... 5 from 5 against the squads we have played against, and thats all you can play..

The Aussie clubs are light years in front of us because they can spent more then double what we can on the salary cap. They weren't light years in front when we pent more then them 10 years back.

As for our start and us having no idea, do you not cut the team some slack for the fact that we're missing a number of pivotal players? our two biggest attacking threats in Tomkins and Williams included?

We're a team built for the firmer and faster pitches of the summer and we always seem to start slowly. In performance terms its not been vintage but the results are fantastic. We will get better and better as the season goes on and we will challenge for honors. If that's an embarrassment to the league then so be it. Whilst the quality of superleague may be at a low, the number of young players being produced is surely at an all time high.

Spot on
Yes, we're playing ugly.
Yes, a lot of the squads we've been against are crocked.
Yes, we got lucky against the French in the rain on [ithat[/i pitch.
[iBut[/i, we're joint top with a game in hand over Widnes with a depleted first team and a bunch of kids and lumps in odd places.
Fer Feckin Sake: stop whingin' yer misanthropic, jaundiced, under the bridge dwelling (goat eating) prats.

You made me spit coffee all over my keyboard... -.-

The play always starts with the hooker(gone) and with your main attacking threat still injured (Tomkins) I'll expect a turn around (probably when you play us).
But you looked a little off in the last quarter of the pitch.
Partly down to execution rather than a lack of ideas.

True, but some don't want to see that... As was previously stated, some are still living in the past, when i did 500 sit-ups a day, and had thick lustrous hair... Times change..

Put it this way ...I would rather be a Wigan fan than a Leeds fan at the moment. The hallmark of a championship side is one that doesn't play that well at times, but still grinds out and gets the wins (a la some of the Leeds teams of recent years). Leeds fans knew they would miss Sinfield's game management/kicking and Peacock's leadership qualities...and losing McGuire too is a blow....but no excuses. You guys had Williams (a player I rate highly) pull out at the last minute and your recent new 'prop' filling in at SO. You also miss McIlorum (another one I rate highly). Success is cyclical and as a Leeds fan we have had some bloody good times in recent years...it's probably now somebody else's turn.
Wigan look a good bet for silverware this season ....BUT don't forget this year just well might be the year of the Wolves



(between you two for sure....subject to injuries, other unforseen circumstances)