It's not as cut and dried as that with Marsh.

He played due to an injury to Carmont, who was in top form before missing out. George has scored in 6 straight home games, 2 of them within 5 days last week.

So, assuming he is recalled for Wakey on Friday, Marsh is being replaced by another player in form, and one who's form has been longer sustained than Stefan's good game against Quins.

Let him off, he's from Bryn

Ive always thought Georgie could have 6 weeks off injured and return to the team and play amazing rugby, because he is class. However he won't be here next year and Wigan have a few "easier" games for Marsh to gain some confidence. We have to start building for next year, unless we have a star signin in the pipeline? We also need strength and depth, as its been pointing out above, Wigan dont have the size or power at the quarters but experience helps.

We're also conceding tries down our right hand side.

You're also ignoring Finch being voted MoM 3 times already this season by us, which is only bettered by Sam.

Look at the Goulding thread, its the same story. Both Goulding & Marsh don't get enough game time to improve. Wigan won the SL last year with comfort. We all thought these 3 ozzie signings would strengthen the squad, but have they?
I think Goulding, Marsh, Farrell & Tuson are losing form and progress unnecessarily. Hence these threads appear scrutinising our younger players and its a sad shame, these lads would have been playin much better this year without the new signings, Lima being the exception due to Fieldens injury.
Im not ignoring MOM performances I'm reminding you of the clubs ideals made last year, lets win the SL with local young talent. So give them a chance....

I can't believe you are serious - Hoffman on his own has been one of the best signings in recent Wigan history and his experience has carried us in a number of games. Finch has been improving steadily to the point that he is now an integral part of our attack. Lima has been a solid and effective workhorse, equal to all but Mossop in our front row. All three have been influential in us maintaining a position towards the top of SL in a season when an adjustment had to be made to adjust for the loss if the services of our workhorse prop (Fielden), prime distributor (Riddell) and key right centre strike threat (Gleeson) of last season.

We can all dream about a team full of Wiganers, but it isn't going to happen and don't let it blinker your views on the quality and contribution of imports. Of the four names listed, personally I think only Farrell has a long term future at Wigan.

Look at the Saints they play & stick to their youth policy where we maybe losing sight of ours. Andy Gregory sits in our club and has nothing but praise for Finch, however he also reminds us that he himself never got signed by Wigan as a youth, because of the "stars" they already had in the team, it took a certain Mr Laughton to recognise his talents.
Lets make sure that never happens again and play some of these boys in the up and coming fixtures, remember these boys are playing for a place in the team, they have a point to prove, Also do you not want Great Britain to win anything? Wigan & Saints could build a GB between them with all the quality youngsters coming through. Also remember, Finch & the Hoff haven't won us anything yet, whereas Farrell, Goulding, Marsh & Tuson have. I rest my case

Yes.


Probably they would, but the team would have been a lot worse. Farrell & Tuson have been getting plenty game time, in any case, and Goulding's already played almost 100 games for us.


Who's keeping Marsh out? A Wigan lad (unless you're seriously suggesting dropping George).
Who's keeping Goulding out? Another Wigan lad (unless you're seriously suggesting dropping Pat).

Farrell & Tuson are competing against each other, unless you're saying they're better than Hoffman or Hansen.

Finch is a complete red herring, since we don't yet have a halfback ready to come in (Mellor is a great prospect, but not quite yet).

Losing sight of our youth policy? Are you being serious? I suggest you look at the quality of some of the young players in the first team squad, as well as the youth teams. By GB I presume you mean England? The success of the England team is not the responsibility of Wigan, the success of Wigan is! Yes Farrell, Goulding, Marsh and Tuson were part of the championship winning team, but Ricky Bibey has two challenge cup winners medals, four players does not a team make. Should we have kept Ainscough, Bailey and Palea'aesina as they were in the championship winning squad? We should play the strongest team we can in every game in order to win, this is professional sport not an after school club. If a player is good enough they play, if not they wait for their chance. I would love an all English Wigan team, but if we don't have 20+ English players good enough, I'd rather we play the best team can in order to win games and titles.

Saints have started a transition period and are gambling on a lot of unproven youth, we tried the same between 2003-2006 and it didn't work because of the lack of experience and quality in key positions. Wigan are in a position of strength and real contenders to win honours for a good while, but you need experienced players to supplement the talented youth we have.


The unpredictability of youth development, the salary cap and the hotbed of raw talent in Wigan will always mean that one or two slip the net. We've also had some decent non-Wigan youth players that we've pinched from under the noses of other clubs (i.e, J. Robinson and McIllorum).


Playing youngsters that aren't at the same level as experienced players and don't have the potential to be anything above average won't help Wigan or England. My priorities remain with what is best for Wigan and I think the league table tells the story. Bit harsh to evaluate Hoff and Finch based on an incomplete season and also completely inaccurate to suggest Farrell, Marsh and Tuson were major reasons for Wigan's previous success. Goulding I'll let you have, but with the caveat that he was flattered by the quality of Gleeson on his inside. Charnley is a much better player already.

You make excellent points.
Tomkins is no centre, so play Marsh. Rest the HOff against Wakey & Bradford play Joel & Tuson. Let tehm get some game time

If Finch gets injured then we play Sam, at that point you may have to play charnley at FB or another youngster.
Goulding scored as many tries as Pat last year so why drop him? Is it because Joel doesn't give him the assurance in defence or anythin to feed from in attack ? (see the Goulding thread)
We need to address the lack strength and depth in the quarters & the salary cap, and everyone is supporting the Ozzie signings Its mind bogglin.
We need to compete with Saints and stick to the policy on local talent.

Its a good discussion, but doesn't if feel that much better when a wiganer scores the winner against the Saints?