Have we improved because of Prescott or have we improved because both Coley and Fielden have upped there game lately?

Personally I think Prescott has been ok...not outstanding by any means. He looks a bit sluggish and slow to me.

I don't think the 2 our unconnected, I think Prescott is helping them far more in this dept than O'Carroll was.

He takes 3 men to bring him down nearly every time! He also Wrestles and tires them out by staying on his feet longer.

4 or 5 occassions last week he drove the ball in and 2 tacklers met him, but 2 more were attracted as he had to stay on his feet and had to come in to wrestle him down.

As for him being "Sluggish", that I can understand as I do think he lacks a bit of Zip.

However

IMO as a team we need the attributes that Prescott brings to the game (Size,Strength and Physical Presence etc) rather than what O'Carroll brings (Speed, movement etc).

Early season we all said that we were crying out for an enforcer Prop. I belive that Prescott (Whilst not being an enforcer prop as such) is closer to that than What O'Carrol is and our defincies as a team our masked better when Prescott plays than O'Carrol.

I do like O'Carroll, but i see him much more as an impact forward. Given we have Feka this somewhat limits his options. I do think you can carry 2 impact props but if you are to do so both need to be world class, while i think O'Carroll is a good player i do not think he is good enough to carry given his stlye in a 4 man line up alongside Feka.

Were he not a local lad and clearly passionate about Wigan, i doubt there would be much concern if he were linked with a move away from the club. As i said above i think this may be the start of a few decisions that will not go down too well with fans but for the success of the club will need to be made over the next year or 2.

Correct! (Apart from he's not a local lad he's from Oldham )

And has an impact prop he's not in the same league as Feka!

I am reading Mike Gregs book again (3rd time now!) and I like the Rip & Tear attitude he brought to the club and how he talks of the physical intimidation aspect of the game.

O'Carroll doesn't offer enough in this department for me.

If I were an opposition forward and I had to start against O'Carrol or Prescott I would much rather face O'Carroll.

If I were an opposition forward and had to handle Feka or O'Carrol coming off the bench again No Contest!

Finally at the club we have more options than spots available ans some players are going to be disappointed. Thta's how it should be and long may it continue and lets see those players fighting for their spots and the palyers in possession of a the shirt fihgting to kkep it!

If Griffin came he wouldn't be here long.
He's never anywhere very long.
Didn't he have an argument with a mirror some time ago?

Not sure why some people have this opinion of him, he has been at 2 pro clubs Trinity and Hudds, the fans may not like him at Trinity but there was on real behind the scences issue, not sure the ins and outs at Huddersfield but from what i gather there is nothing newsworthy in any of his conduct.

When Griffin was first on the scene I was pretty impressed and he's still a good SL prop forward. Swapping him for O'Carroll maybe gives a bit more bulk, but I'd stick with E O'C overall.

I've heard alot of rugby coaches/football managers talk about rumours reagrding players leaving and being replaced with others and they'll all say the same that when letting one lad go to bring in another you've got to be certain it will improve the side and i'm not sure Griffin for O'Carroll would improve us short term let alone long term.

No go for me.

Exactly how i feel about this rumour

35,000 pound kench or no kench

no kench noel

Its an interesting point for discussion.

On the face of it, its no deal for me. But, both the kids need more game time and we can't satisfy that currently. I would like to see one of them go on loan for a year, or at least the rest of this year.

Griffin would bring rough & tumble, but surely there would be someone of better quality available by the year's end.

O'Carroll to go out on a years loan for me next season if a real high quality prop is available.........that mans Not Griffin.

Then we can see how he developes somewhere else whilst watching Prescott develope here and then when Fielden is off contract the year after maybe there will be a place in the 17 for the both of them.

O'Carroll was the best of the three 'normal' props prior to his injury and I still maintain he is and will be a better player than Prescott. There is no sense in getting rid of him, certainly not for Griffin.

Going out on a season long loan is defiantly an option.

But like many have said we can’t go with both Prescott and O’Carroll next season as I still believe we need to get a top class prop and the maths don’t work out. Something has to give.

I’d be some what miffed tho if we used O’Carroll as a bargaining chip for someone like Griffin. O’Carroll has the ability to be a good SL player, his attitude seems spot on and he’s only going to get better as the years go by so his value should be worth more than that and we aren’t benefitting the most from it.

If we were to use him as a make weight in any potential deals then it should be for say one of the Burgess Brothers + cash or LMS + cash from Quins. There are better props under contract than Griffin.

O'Carroll to move out on loan in 2010 and then Wigan should make a decision based on his performances that year.

There should be no permanent move for him yet.