And he also in this post says we have to be realistic with the Salary Cap yet in other posts says we should go out and buy 2 x more props & a 6 and be challenging for Top Honours Immediately!

FWIW I agree with him on the Hansen post with regards to Hansen being here long term whilst Bailey isn't.

If I had to pick one of them for this Saturday I would Pick Bailey, We are a better team with him in it at the moment.

If I had to pick one for the next 3 years after this I would go with Hansen for obvious reasons such as Youth and Value for money.

At the moment no-one.

Tomkins, Hock, Lockers are all playing well. Bailey has been okay as well.

The more interesting question for me is who drops out should Carmont come back?

Richards, Roberts, Ainscough, Phelps, Gleeson, Carmont - 1 must drop out.

I'd agree with you there.

However, when Liam Farrell, & Lee Mossop are knocking on the door the debate arises again.

Roberts for me.

Agreed.

Phelps
Ainscough
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards

That looks very strong to me.

And 2-3 years for them to prove their worth taking them to 21ish whilst Hansen does the Frontline Job & they are the Back up's or pushing him for his place.

2 x years down the line we have the same decision again!
And if Farrell/Mossop et al are better value for money or Significantly better players then we go with them.

Isn't it good to have Competition! Maybe IL is starting to get some things right???

Your 2 posts on this topic sum up my feelings on it also.

At the moment nobody should be dropped for him, but a poor game from Bailey will see him get his chance again hopefully. At the moment the shirt is Baileys and there is not much he can do about it apart from get his head down and take his chance if it comes again.

Same goes for the young lads coming through i expect Bailey to go at the end of the year and on merrit Hansen takes that role on, it is then up to him to perform or the younger guys get a look in and given they are younger if they do get the shirt and make it theres permanently at that point Hansen becomes expendable but not before.

This is the crucial point - we're now a proper squad, and I think it's something that both we and the Wigan team need to get used to.

A couple of years ago, if someone got injured we were in trouble. Now we seem to have pretty decent lads qeueing up for most positions.

Perhaps we shouldn't get lulled into thinking that, just because a guy's lost his place, that's the end of him at Wigan. Hopefully they'll be encouraged to fight their way back in rather than go bleating to their mates who post on message boards (that's not aimed at anyone on here by the way).

Injuries happen, form falters, etc. I think all our regular first-teamers will see plenty more action this season. And personally I'm quite happy at that prospect.

Which is one of the main points.

For next year we have a starting back 3 of

Hock Tomkins
Lockers.

With Hansen Farrell Mossop Flanny plus others all wanting to play first team.

Is Hansen missed when he's not played? No. The last two games have made this evident.

So how about giving one of the other lads a run in the second row and see how they go? If Hansen isn't missed, isn't it a sign that we should give the other lads a run out instead? Why halt their progress giving Hansen a place instead?

Again, isn't competion for places a wonderful thing!

It doesn't really matter for me who he leaves out etc as someone will always criticise his decisions one way or another!
The main thing is, they all know they have to keep playing well otherwise!

Cue DaveO saying he will only drop the young players and not his favourites!

Now now, don't make things up to try and make a point.

There is an obvious need to sort the props out but if you won't be able to point to a post of mine where I say we go and get them now regardless of the salary cap. Could we have got a prop or two had we not signed several of the backs signed recently such as Gleeson, Smith and Roberts? Possibly but that is a different debate and not the same thing as what you suggest I said. To try and suggest I am being inconsistent by quoting the salary cap as a reason why we can't have super stars on all back row positions yet want to ignore it and sign two props is made up nonsense.

Dave

Do all you posts require a reference to me? Or are you obsessed? Do I have a stalker?

Dave