Havard (if he can put a run of games together lately) and Cooper would have helped to a degree but I am not sure they would have made that much difference - we had no shortage of effort but it was creativity that was lacking, even with a full team on the pitch we didn't look like breaking Hull KR down and those two players would not have helped that. Smith is floundering at times because he is a young player trying to do everything, every 5th tackle play goes through him and it makes it easy for teams to read and in this game French was mostly non-existant - maybe next season he could get there but he is not helping the team structure as often he runs around in circles and stifles any momentum. The weather was the same for both teams (and KR had a few players missing too) and you can't always play on dry tracks- we just do not seem to be able to adapt well enough.

They do mate that is what rugby is all about. There is certainly no question that it was a debatable and game changing decision. HKR may still have won, who knows.

Personally, I thought it was a poor decision. It is a tackle we witness on a regular basis. If you take the aggression out of rugby league we have no game and there were certainly mitigating circumstances. The problem we have is that people who have never played the game are making crucial decisions and getting them wrong. Shorrocks got sent off and got a one game ban and yet Matautia got sin binned and received a two game ban, how do you explain that? I think it is time we had an ex-player helping the video referee.

We need a genuine stand off, we should not be experimenting.

We need a Trent Barrett. Sadly, thats most unlikely these days

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I'm sick of picking the positives from defeat in crucial games, sick of heading in the right direction without ever getting there. We were again clueless with ball in hand, even befoe Shorrocks went off. Let's not be kidded into believing HKR are a great side, they aren't, yet they've beaten us 3 times - which makes us even less of a great side.

Peet has been in charge now for 18 months, his team, his core, his spine. Forget Rads, Peet has the talent in that team to be performing far better than we are with far better results.

How many big games have we lost under Peet? Two semi finals?

That would be a poor record if we hadn't also won one semi final and a final.

So a 50/50 record.

Ah statistics.
One semi final win out of three.
So a 33.3% success rate.

I don’t think that we are a bad team I just think we’ve an unbalanced squad with a severe lack of experience.

Quite possibly. Perhaps they'll learn from yesterday and manage things differently in the next one they play in. That's what will define how good a coach Peet is.

We're hardly heading in the right direction without ever getting there as someone said. We won the f***** thing last year.

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I wish my view of success, progression and what constitutes good rugby and good management were as low as yours, I really do. It's not the losses, it's the manner in which we've lost and seeing it repeated. You cling to the positives from defeat that you seem happy with, I'll continue to hope for better

Yeah that could be an outcome but we’ve only Havard to come back so Peet and his team will have to do it effectively with the same team. As a minimum I think Peet will be pressed to trust his youngsters more.

I don’t think that we are good enough to turn it around. As I keep saying hopefully I’m proven to be wrong.
If I’m honest I’m more concerned about next year. For me none of the forwards signed go anywhere near resolving the issues in the pack and the lack of a decent 6 still remains.

100% - criminal not to use Hill who has been playing well and we were 2 interchanges down AND a man down - please can someone explain? Defo throw Hampo in the mix if you don't trust the kid to play....

Name those decisions....you were the best team and have outplayed us on 3 occasions this season - no need to gild the lily

On the money for several points - risk to start Willie, not fit, contributed nothing and broke down - leaving us short, Shorrocks then has to fill in and gets sent off - we are now two interchange players down, so we do not use a form player in Hill so we are 3 interchanges down - this is criminal. But the coaches have form with this, WTF is going on with picking young lads on the bench and giving them 0-5 minutes per game? Peet bemoans losing Nicholson and McDonnell - can we really blame them for leaving? At this rate we will lose Nsemba, Hill and Forber to name but 3. JFB gone mad.

Not sure where to post this so feel free to move it

Someone has left a kids wigan hoody 9/10 years a couple of seats down from us at the match on Sunday, we were in the seats in row M around seats 26

I think it was left at seat 22

I can bring it to the game this Saturday if that’s any good to whoever it belongs to?