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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Although what all of this has to do with Andy Powell I'm not sure, but it appears the usual suspects have driven it this way.'"


Good point.

Too many threads are being hijacked at the moment to turn it into an anti-Wane/Lenagan agenda driven rant. There are other threads on here discussing both so I suggest people use the appropriate threads.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "JJ
That wasn't the point I was making. We are playing a slightly different game (more attractive?) under Wane. Wane has lost a LOT of experience, and IMO is doing o.k.

Could he do better, of course, but then so could have Madge.
Wane was Brett Finch brainfart away from getting us to the GF last year, but he lost and he's in the minus column.

IF he gets us to Wembley and/or the GF this year then he will get in the plus column.
If he fails to get to either then I wouldn't be surprised to see him replaced, although IMO that's necessarily the right move, it would depend on who was available.

Although what all of this has to do with Andy Powell I'm not sure, but it appears the usual suspects have driven it this way.'"

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Sounds reasonable enough if you ONLY look at results. Might there be mitigating circumstances?'"


Where there any mitigating circumstances that meant we should have kept Noble?

Coaches get judged on results. I have felt for some time IL would give Wane his years option and he may justify that on circumstances with players having left (even if that is partly down to decisions made by IL anyway). Beyond that and I doubt he will be kept on if there is no trophy success.

IL expects finals and expects year on year improvement. It may be a tall order to deliver that with the squad changes that are going on but that is where Wane finds himself.

If Wane accepts losses of players like Mossop and probably Sam and says to IL we can still be a success I reckon IL will take that at face value and expect results. No results, no job.

Same with the debate over Wane doing things differently to Madge. Wane said he could improve on Madge. Fair enough that is how I expect IL will judge him.

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Quote: DaveO "Where there any mitigating circumstances that meant we should have kept Noble?

Coaches get judged on results. I have felt for some time IL would give Wane his years option and he may justify that on circumstances with players having left (even if that is partly down to decisions made by IL anyway). Beyond that and I doubt he will be kept on if there is no trophy success.

IL expects finals and expects year on year improvement. It may be a tall order to deliver that with the squad changes that are going on but that is where Wane finds himself.

If Wane accepts losses of players like Mossop and probably Sam and says to IL we can still be a success I reckon IL will take that at face value and expect results. No results, no job.

Same with the debate over Wane doing things differently to Madge. Wane said he could improve on Madge. Fair enough that is how I expect IL will judge him.'"


And what has that to do with Andy Powell?

As you are a mod could/should you not move these posts to a Shaun Wane thread?

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Please do not start a SW thread until I have got my popcorn.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "And what has that to do with Andy Powell?

As you are a mod could/should you not move these posts to a Shaun Wane thread?'"


Because Shaun Wane had a 'duty of care' not to feed 6ft4 18 stone Andy Powell to the wolves icon_lol.gif

Wane Out!

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "Please do not start a SW thread until I have got my popcorn.'"



Can we have it in 3D.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "And what has that to do with Andy Powell?

As you are a mod could/should you not move these posts to a Shaun Wane thread?'"


You are right but in my defense I was responding to a post in this thread. Moving posts on here into a different thread is a bit tricky compared to other forums. I am off out but I may have a go later. Don't blame me if it all goes wrong!

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Quote: Orrell Lad "Because Shaun Wane had a 'duty of care' not to feed 6ft4 18 stone Andy Powell to the wolves
Andy Powell could look after himself with the best playing his first sport, Union. Playing League he is trying to learning a virtually new sport and as such is 'vulnerable' albeit lucky RL is much cleaner now. It did not matter that Stuart Evans was the biggest player on the pitch because he was 'out of his depth' If you played sport at a decent level you would also understand about the fragility of confidence and self belief. Last time I looked, neither were size related.

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Quote: DaveO "You are right but in my defense I was responding to a post in this thread. Moving posts on here into a different thread is a bit tricky compared to other forums. I am off out but I may have a go later. Don't blame me if it all goes wrong!'"


It's a pain in the proverbial, Dave, trying to move posts out into others.

Suggest that it now moves back to Powell and any posts off topic just get deleted - which I've already done. Same for other threads as well.

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Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "It's a pain in the proverbial, Dave, trying to move posts out into others.

Suggest that it now moves back to Powell and any posts off topic just get deleted - which I've already done. Same for other threads as well.'"


Yes OK. The idea of moving several odd posts elsewhere using the mechanisms available wasn't exactly a great prospect.

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Quote: Fylde_Warrior "Andy Powell could look after himself with the best playing his first sport, Union. Playing League he is trying to learning a virtually new sport and as such is 'vulnerable' albeit lucky RL is much cleaner now. It did not matter that Stuart Evans was the biggest player on the pitch because he was 'out of his depth' If you played sport at a decent level you would also understand about the fragility of confidence and self belief. Last time I looked, neither were size related.'"


So Andy Powell had fragile confidence and self belief? Did he tell you that himself? Shame on Wane for playing him.

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I'll answer that for you. You don't have a f'ing clue how prepared or willing Powell was to make his debut. Or how 'vulnerable' he was. Or if Wane asked how he felt about playing or if he was ready to play.

That's the last I'm going to say on it.

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He needed to play his first game at some point, and it was going to be a struggle. If he played tomorrow he'd already look a lot stronger just from having that first run out under his belt imo. I would give him time at the Scorpions, but I definitely believe there's a lot of potential in him as a rugby league player.

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I don't think I've ever seen an overreaction like this thread. If we'd won by the margin we'd lost and he played exactly the same as he did, this thread wouldn't be anything like the drama it is now.

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