You can have half a point for the hubcap and that’s generous

Very true. I remember everyone saying how Wigan were the best in the league in 2020

I said the CC, not the GF!

That said, you were miles better than Leeds

Thank you. I am not sure what other measurement you can use other than winning trophies, the other options are open to interpretation. That’s why Wigan are rightfully the greatest team in the game, by a long way.

You have won the Grand final 3 years on the trot for those 3 years you were the best team in those seasons.
Now what you are saying winning cups do not matter as you still are the best team,does this mean if Wigan win the GF you still are the best team this season.

No, of course not. But part of the point I was originally making is that not all trophies are equal. The CC is the easiest (by far) of the 3 to win, so it’s not a marker for the best team. The same way as winning the FA or Carabao cups aren’t a marker for the best team in football. Not to say they’re not great to win, I obviously would have loved for us to have won it and it’s a major trophy, but a lot of factors can go into winning the challenge cup, because it’s essentially just a small handful of games. I don’t think Leeds were the best team during any point of 2020, ditto Warrington in 2019.

The best team sometimes wins the CC, but certainly not always the case. There’s a big element of luck there that’s not really present when it comes to winning the super league (both the LLS and the GF). Although tbf, Saints won both the LLS and GF in 2014 and the majority of people wouldn’t say we were the best team that year (I’d argue we were before Walsh got injured but the argument could be made that if he was so pivotal for us then a one man team can’t really be considered the best).

This reply ended up a bit long but the point is that yes, winning trophies is obviously a good barometer for who the best team is, but it isn’t always reflective. That’s the nature of the fact that both of our major trophies come from knockout competitions, where anything can happen on the day. You’d say the league leaders shield should be the biggest barometer but even that isn’t true in the case of RL because a lot of teams don’t bother taking it seriously as it doesn’t mean anything and finishing 2nd is just as good a route to the GF, the top 8 system where Leeds won half their trophies was even worse

Though if you win the GF then you’ve won the 2 major trophies of the year so of course you can safely consider the gap closed in that case

Saints losing 26-0 half time

I just looked up the score, showing 32 nil to Salford. Must be a typo!

I was at Barton Airfield about 2.30ish and considered walking over for the game but didn’t fancy watching Saints winning comfortably.

More fool me!

Salford could get fifty yet!

Apparently Saints fans on twitter whinging that their team is "decimated" yet 12 of their first 17 squad shirts are on the field.

1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16
Bench - 15, 17
Missing - 2, 3, 4, 7, 11

Surely their world class Academy lads should be filling in and at least competing with Salford. They were unconvincing last week too!

lost 44-12