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Quote: Famous "Pryce played far fewer games than our other wingers so you would expect him to conceed less on his side in. Also unless you have the stats to back it up, and stats to show that the relevant winger is actually to blame for a try to their side, then it is just an absurd statement.

I wouldnt say that Pryce is a decent defender either and there were may times last season when he was a liability and very lucky not to be punished more than he was, particularly against Leeds away in the cup, Huddersfield and Saints. He just does not have the acceleration, agility or decision making ability and this is always a problem when he is on the wing, where these 3 teams in particular targeted him to great effect. It is no coincidence that he was dropped after the Saints and Huddersfield games, and not being picked again all season after the latter one, after being all at sea defensively.'"



Leeds in the Cup, you must be joking. Every time Donald got the ball he went inside, he never went anywhere near Pryce.
Do you think Meli would have scored that last try in the Grand Final had Pryce been on the wing.

Leeds, Huddersfield and Saints, just go back and check how many tries were scored against Pryce in those games.
It's funny how he was "lucky " to be playing inside Carmont or Gleeson, because he is poor yet that doesn't apply to our other wingers.

I can't really recall any tries scored where I thought, Pryce should have made that tackle, can you?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Leeds in the Cup, you must be joking. Every time Donald got the ball he went inside, he never went anywhere near Pryce.
Do you think Meli would have scored that last try in the Grand Final had Pryce been on the wing.

Leeds, Huddersfield and Saints, just go back and check how many tries were scored against Pryce in those games.'"


I like how he said other people were making "absurd statements", then says he was extremely lucky defensively in three games. That must have been some serious luck.

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Quote: inside_man "I like how he said other people were making "absurd statements", then says he was extremely lucky defensively in three games. That must have been some serious luck.'"



Exactly maybe it was the opposition inexperienced coaches faults that they failed to target Pryces weakness. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Leeds in the Cup, you must be joking. Every time Donald got the ball he went inside, he never went anywhere near Pryce.
Do you think Meli would have scored that last try in the Grand Final had Pryce been on the wing.

Leeds, Huddersfield and Saints, just go back and check how many tries were scored against Pryce in those games.
It's funny how he was "lucky " to be playing inside Carmont or Gleeson, because he is poor yet that doesn't apply to our other wingers.

I can't really recall any tries scored where I thought, Pryce should have made that tackle, can you?'"


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There were 2 clear occasions when Leeds could and should have scored and Pryce would have been at fault and Donald would have had a walk in. 2 poor passes into touch saved Pryce when he was had made poor decisions and was in no mans land. I suppose you didnt see them.

What has Meli in the Grand Final got to do with anything, Goulding had an outstanding game and saved 2 tries with outstanding tackles. Trying to criticise one player, which for some reason you dont like people doing to Pryce, doesnt make Pryce any better. When the play offs came Maguire put his trust in Goulding, which proved to be the correct choice, and I doubt he would have done this if he thought he was worse defensively.

Against Huddersfield Pryce was beaten time and again defensively, was all over the place dealing with kicks and was swiftly dropped and not played again. Same against Saints. Why do you think he was dropped after these 2 games if he was such a rock defensively?

You seem to have a very simplistic notion if that a try is scored on a wingers is wing it is that wingers fault and thats it. Likewise if none are scored then it is all down to that winger and no one else. Huddersfield is a prime example of this. Due to Pryce's poor play in previous tackles we were often on the back foot which resulted in scrambling defence and led to tries. Yes some may not have been on his side but his poor play on previous tackles allowed Huddersfield to get in those positions and created space elsewhere.

I trust Maguires judgement and when we got to the business end of the year and needed our best and most solid team defensively playing he didnt pick Pryce again. Listening to your posts you make out that he was never at fault for any tries and was such a threat in attack but you completely ignore the viewpoint of anyone that dares criticise him however mildly this may be. If Maguire thought that he was as good defensively as you try and make out and half the threat in attack then he would have been a certainty to get picked far more often than he was. The mere fact that he wasnt and wasnt considered again after the Huddersfield match makes me think that after analysing his performances the coaching staff disagree with your viewpoint of him.

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Quote: Famous "Talk about blinkers
And I would argue that the coaching teams decision/agreement to give Pryce another contract suggests that they think he is worth his place in the "25 man Squad"! So I'll trust their judgement as well if you don't mind?

Why don't you ask rogues a relevant question instead of making out that he does consider him to be a World Beater like for example :-

What would you starting 13 be and would Pryce be in it?

If Winger/Centre X/Y/Z got injured where would you use Pryce?

What do you see Pryce's role in "The Squad" Being?

I suspect you'll get some interesting answers and not just "I think Pryce is Fantastic!".
On the other hand his detractors seem to want to criticise him (And in some ways they're right, he maybe isn't realising his full potential) whatever the cost.

My view, name me another club with a 4th choice Winger/Centre as good as Karl Pryce (And when I say 4th I'm not talking about switching players from another position as that player would have to be replaced as well).
I'm not totally in agreement with Rogues on this, I do think he flatters to decieve at times, but I know if we had 2 x injuries (Lets say Richards & Goulding) obviously Roberts would get 1 spot but we could do far worse than bring in Pryce as the alternative!

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Quote: Famous "Talk about blinkers icon_lol.gif

As I said, I don't totally agree with Rogues opinions on Pryce. I don't on many things i.e O'Carroll.
What I do know is that when a coach drops him (And I wouldnt disagree that the other 2 x wingers in Richards/Goulding were doing well enough to retain their places above Pryce) it suits your argument to use it against Pryce but when the coach decides to give a player whom you obviously don't rate a contract for 12 months you ignore those very same opinions/facts.

You then challenge his facts with facts that are no more relevant i.e They're opinions but fail to see the Hypocracy?

I couldn't give a toss if you ask those questions or not, I just can't believe that people are missing the point that club/coaches obviously think he is a worthwhile "Squad" member and maybe, just maybe, if people try and look at the contract extension as a "Squad" decision rather than if he's better than Goulding/Roberts/Richards etc then they may go some way to understanding why others think it's a decent decision?

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Quote: Cruncher "They seem like very relevant questions to me ... if you want to understand what Rogues's exact feelings are with regard to Pryce. Isn't having that knowledge the best place to start this debate?

But can I ask you a serious question - why do you explode when someone challenges your view, even though you yourelf have just challenged someone else's?

And also ... it's a bit rich you complaining about being ridiculed when your response to someone you disagree with is to stick a laughing emoticon on it, and your response to Jukesey (purely because he didn't agree with you), was to accuse him of being Rogues's minder.'"


Just about beat me to it! icon_wink.gif

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Got to go know, Rogues wants his pillows fluffed, his Slippers warmed & his sanotegen! icon_biggrin.gif

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No offence Mr Jukes but if I wanted a minder I would chose someone the size of Joel Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Stuart Fielden or Karl Pryce. 5.10546875:5
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