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| Quote: WVRLCMatt "A highly motivated Widnes team missing the top try scorer, both first choice half backs, their two starting props and a smattering of first team players.'"
True enough (even if 'top try scorer' is only relative ), but still a win by a point - and could still have been a loss by a point if Charnley had put the penalty over.
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| Quote: Robbo "Is it just me who thinks using this game to rest so many key players in one go could come back to haunt us? I'm all for giving the younger players a shot... But lets not go to crazy. Widnes still have some pretty good players who one of these days are gonna click together and put in a good performance... I'd hate to see that happen against an understrength Wigan side.'"
Looks like my fears became true!.....
Beaten by the better team on the day, and Widnes deserve credit for managing to come back from 12 points down to get level at half time to then come back from an 18 point deficit to win in the second half.. It's disappointing that that the players let the lead slip like that.
And all those people who are deciding that it doesn't matter that we lost if it means young players are being challenged.... what will your opinions be if come the end of the season we miss out on the top of the league by one point? something which could cost us a big advantage come play off time?...
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| Quote: LeightonP "True enough (even if 'top try scorer' is only relative
But all this talk of disrespecting is giving Wigan an excuse they don't deserve. Widnes outplayed you.
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| Quote: WVRLCMatt "But all this talk of disrespecting is giving Wigan an excuse they don't deserve.'"
I agree with you there. The game was close enough to show that it was a pretty even contest - regardless of the two leads Widnes fought back/Wigan threw away* (*delete as applicable).
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| Widnes were the better team but the game was offered them by a ludicous squad selection by Shaun Wane.
The other equally baffling decision was to allow Stefan Marsh to play for Widnes. He ran Hughes ragged down their right sided attack. As if this couldn't have been anticipated. Who on earth thinks that Hughes, a back row forward, would ever cope with Marsh's pace.
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| This is the second screw up by Wane this season, a team not ready for Huddersfield and this really is a mistake to rank right up there with the best.
Did he not think what the ex Wigan connection people would think this morning, OK leave a couple out which was known to be Pat and Tommy but then to leave out Sam and Lockers is really saying to Widnes "you are no good and we can take you anytime" how would anyone react if they were treated with such contempt and arrogance?
When you hear that Stefan Marsh is sounding like a world beater it really is time to be a bit concerned, so well done Widnes and we got what we deserved. As said already, blooding young players is OK but what will this have done to their confidence, getting beat up by a team who have not looked like winning and if I am correct lost their last 7 matches last year and their first 5 this season.
He could have left out 2 today and 2 next week against London but to leave out 4 of your very best and most experienced players was madness and now of course he will have to play all 4 next week if fit, whereas spelling them in a logical manner would be perhaps OK. It is also not fair on the fans who pay to see the best team possible not some experiment, he has already done this in practice matches and hasn't learnt any lessons.
Let us hope he doesn't mouth off again about I will make the players suffer in training etc, accept your mistakes and admit you made a massive one today and learn from it, if not accept the consequences as anybody in any occupation who made a mistake like this would have to do.
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| Quote: terryb "
He could have left out 2 today and 2 next week against London but to leave out 4 of your very best and most experienced players was madness and now of course he will have to play all 4 next week if fit,
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I can't help but think he will leave players out next week too. Like you I just didn't understand the need to rest all those players in one go. With London coming up next week there would have been chance to give 2 players a rest in either game and have the best of both worlds.
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| Quote: Robbo "I can't help but think he will leave players out next week too.'"
This thought has crossed my mind as well. If he doesn't then it will be a tacit admission that he was wrong this week.
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| Quote: DaveO "This thought has crossed my mind as well. If he doesn't then it will be a tacit admission that he was wrong this week.'"
He said on Radio Manc after the game there was no guarantee the 5 would be back in next week, he might decide to give the youngsters another go.
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| Quote: Coventry Warrior! "If Sam doesn't play tomorrow, then I'm having second thoughts about going to the game. I think we should play our strongest team and steamroll them! I think we could quite easily cope without Sam, but Lockers, thats a different story.
I hope we take tomorrow seriously because it has Crusaders 2009 written all over it and that was embarrassing.'"
Knew it!
Oh well SL isn't won in March, we will take alot from this game!
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| Quote: AJ "He said on Radio Manc after the game there was no guarantee the 5 would be back in next week, he might decide to give the youngsters another go.'"
Well if he does he will be risking the wrath of the fans.
We all want to see the youngsters come through but not like today.
Not playing the majority of the team he will play v Wire in the two games leading up to the fixture is stupid. The players match fitness soon drops off and they need to be clicking like a well oiled machine not coming back after two weeks rest for that game.
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| I think even if one of Pat, Tommy, Sam or Lockers played they we would have won.
That could be Widnes' only win of the season, because defensively they are shocking.
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| I actually do think we should still rest a few vs London, not to todays extremes though. We've got a heavy easter period coming up. I definately wouldnt play Mossop and Goulding.
Vs London I'd go:
Tomkins
Charnley
Gelling
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Richards
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| The worst thing he could do is play a weak squad again next week. But I'm kind of expecting him to do it. I can't see Wane changing his mind because Fans don't agree with him and that could be his undoing. And if he now came out and admitted he got it wrong he would be putting himself in a vulnerable position.
I'll wait and see but this week will be very interesting to see what happens with the selection.
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| Quote: Robbo "The worst thing he could do is play a weak squad again next week. But I'm kind of expecting him to do it. I can't see Wane changing his mind because Fans don't agree with him and that could be his undoing. And if he now came out and admitted he got it wrong he would be putting himself in a vulnerable position.
I'll wait and see but this week will be very interesting to see what happens with the selection.'"
Why would SW be putting himself in a vulnerable position if he admits any errors, either by words or actions?
To my mind, he may regain respect in the eyes of fans by doing that. I agree with previous postings that there's unlikely to be so many changes (barring injuries etc.) two weeks on the trot prior to, on past evidence what will be a very physical and intense meeting with Warrington.....never mind the Easter period.
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