We don't have a wonderful squad, and it certainly has weaknesses, but it is certainly good enough to be competitive at the top of SL. There aren't many SL sides who wouldn't want an in-form Hastings, Gildart, Farrell, Marshall etc.It's impossible to think another coach could not have got more out of these players, considering how far we've gone backwards.

All good players but useless without decent props.

200+mins without a try

We’re short at prop, make no bones about it but we’re not this short. We got mullered in the middle against Saints but not tonight. In that first half we made ground and still don’t do anything with it.

Yeah, but I just don't fully buy this catch-all argument that lack of props is the top and bottom of the problem. There have been plenty of times in recent games, including tonight, where we have in fact had a fair amount of field position, but our attack still looks blunt when we reach our opponents' 20. And that's surely down to basic coaching.

Don’t disagree hence the reason Rads should go too.

Rads/Lenagan may have left Lam short of top quality at prop but they can’t be forcing him to not picking Bullock or Clark (two lads who will at least go forward), picking a back row forward at hooker, forwards in the centres, a mountain of young middles all at the same time, making him not show trust in young backs, young hookers etc. Our attack is possibly the worst I’ve seen of any team in the history of superleague and Lam should feel pretty embarrassed about that.

There are too many average players in the squad who are not even in decent form. Field is still too ‘untested’ to comment but senior players like Bibby, Singleton, Powell, Clarke, Bullock, Clubb are just not good enough even if they hit some form. Then the younger players are not ready to play every week but have potential. Players like Havard, Byrne, Smithies, Partington and KPP should have been drip fed into the team, not relied upon to carry us. Smith simply cannot be given the responsibility of being our 1st choice half next season, he needs a seasoned pro alongside him which I fear won’t come. Bateman has been a shadow of the player he can be and Hastings is left to try to do it all by himself. It’s so easy for a defence to plan. Put numbers on Hastings because nobody else has a clue how to unlock them!

The selection would suggest that both Bullock and Clarke (both signed by Rads) are not impressing at training.

It’s almost as if they have known for a while that they are not wanted…

Same here mate, watched it in a pub at an East coast holiday resort with a real good mixture of mainly Yorkshire clubs fans. Never thought I'd see the day when Yorkshire fans (apart from Rhino's) would be showing so much sympathy for a Wigan team. Exactly the same things were being said about no cherry and white and no atmosphere at the DW and more importantly Super League needs a strong Wigan. Too many players don't look interested and it doesn't make for good TV.

Extremely possible but we watch them in games making ground at least and we lack that exact quality. The thing that really baffles me is that we’re clearly under the pump and the pressure is huge. It’s not a great environment to keep letting young forwards try and run themselves in to the ground. I’d just throw guys like Bullock and Clark in, if only to help shield Havard, Byrne, Partington etc a bit more.

It’s just sad but not surprising.

It’s really hard to motivate players when they know they are not wanted and that’s not down to Lam.

I really hope that people ask the right questions about recruitment next week.

FWIW I think Bullock is a good pick up for Wire.

I wouldn’t absolve Lam of blame on guys like Clark and Bullock not feeling wanted. I watch Bullock come on, make more ground then any other prop we have and he gets hauled off after 10 mins and we don’t see him again. It’s Lams job to get the best from them and whether that be on the training field or in games, he’s just not done it. What Clark did in those back to back games he scored try’s in that was so bad he’s been dropped since is beyond me.

It’s a good point and I agree with that.

I actually quite like Bullock and Clarke has shown potential but it’s just plain weird that neither seems to be able to hold down a place and get some consistency.

One for next week!

I’d use the pair for the rest of the season tbh, if only to give Havard and Byrne the time out of the fire. Let them two get battered about and feel the mental effect of the struggles we’re facing because they won’t be here after this season and we won’t have to worry about building them back up. Any new coach is going to have to work hard to really build the confidence back up in some of the players who will still be with us.