Well that's interesting because having just spoken to my mate at Wigan (you know exactly who he is because I've told you previously) then he has confirmed that you can challenge the original grading still. Given he used to go with the Wigan players as their representative then its fair to say he knows more than you or I.

So yes whilst you may be correct in that on THIS occasion (capital letters used for emphasis) Saints appealed on a technicality then the fact that you have spent all afternoon categorically telling me that a second appeal can only be on a technicality is clearly incorrect.

To put it in the bluntest terms possible to avoid any further fudging of the facts:

You are wrong.

I've not. I've spent all day arguing with Phuzzy. I've not got the energy to look for frivolity rules

I think what we've established from all of this is that Matty Lees was rightly banned for contact to the head and Saints have tried everything to get him off with it

Couldnt have said it better myself,there you go,end of.

Show me exactly where in the policy and the definitive Operational Rules Policy where it says this. Just wondering where you are doing your checking that you refer to.

As an aside I’ve no desire to argue all day with you on here and I’m pretty sure everyone else is sick of reading the back and forth so please take to PM if you want to continue this.

If it’s in the policy and I’ve missed it as you infer then I’ll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. This is my last post on this thread about it so will carry on in private if you so wish.

My apologies to everyone else caught up in this.

Dont apologise for defending your team,even if you are wrong

Potentially opening up an old debate here but I see Micky Mac has been cleared to play on Saturday, after a successful appeal. It’s only fair to mention that, given we discuss Saints bans/appeals. I think it adds weight to people saying we need to stop rolling over and letting our belly be tickled. That MM challenge wasn’t much to write home about but it was comfortably worse than the Kaide Ellis one against HKR and we didn’t appeal that. I’ve said before, Saints would help themselves by stop making so many iffy challenges but we definitely look to be a bit soft and don’t want to rock the boat when it comes to appeals.

Saints look like they are in the zone.

Peaked 6 weeks early

After tonight so do we.

Great win for the academy away at Saints today

As the old chant used to go "are you watching St Helens"

They definitely expected to be 2nd after this weekend. Ah well..

Whilst Peet has quite rightly lauded O Neill as one of the best young players in SL in his press conference, it’s also refreshing to see him give huge credit too to Delaney. I’ve mentioned him on here months ago as a real standout and someone with huge potential to be playing prop at 19 and not looking out of place.

I know Hill has been good too but Delaney has played way more minutes this season.

Well done to Peet for his comments.