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What do you expect from Boltoners

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Maybe he's still grumpy about this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCN7FYYzaz8

That vid cracks me up. Still don't know what Laurie Daley was doing
Maybe he's still grumpy about this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCN7FYYzaz8

That vid cracks me up. Still don't know what Laurie Daley was doing


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Bet Brown will have another rant at half time, reckon he should send out the " The Enforcers " whoever they are.

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Quote: rochdale warrior "Bet Brown will have another rant at half time, reckon he should send out the " The Enforcers " whoever they are.'"


It's a good question, isn't it.

Thus far today Huddersfield are nothing but pi22 and wind. The trouble with talking tough, is you occasionally have to act it too.

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Quote: Cruncher "It's a good question, isn't it.

Thus far today Huddersfield are nothing but pi22 and wind. The trouble with talking tough, is you occasionally have to act it too.'"

Hope they play like this next week.
Wire look impressive.

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[color=#000000:1qsyq8gi]Wigan Warriors 2010:[/color:1qsyq8gi] [color=red:1qsyq8gi]Super League Champions League Leaders Under 20's Champions Club of The Year Floodlit 9's Winners Pat Richards: Man Of Steel Sam Tomkins: Young Player of the Year Michael Maguire: Coach of the Year[/color:1qsyq8gi] [quote="Wire_91":1qsyq8gi]its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are[/quote:1qsyq8gi]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26076.jpg



Why do people rate Eorl Crabtree? Would rather have Karl Pryce at prop.

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Quote: rochdale warrior "Hope they play like this next week.
Wire look impressive.'"


True enough, but you'd think Huddersfield would at least be able to enforce their way into the opposition's half.

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Quote: Cruncher "True enough, but you'd think Huddersfield would at least be able to enforce their way into the opposition's half.'"

They need to keep their heads up high. icon_smile.gif

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that was a stupid pass from cudjoe gave dires an easy try

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That mistake by Brett Hodgson was worthy of Mathers himself!

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giants dont have a clue today!
that tackle on robinson must have really rattled them last week icon_lol.gif d040.gif

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Quote: chatham warrior "giants dont have a clue today!
that tackle on robinson must have really rattled them last week Wire are enforcing some errors icon_smile.gif

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we did this to wakefield and john kear thought it was like "watching paint dry" dire do it to shuddersfield and he creams himself on bbc tv john kear icon_ass.gif

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Quote: chatham warrior "we did this to wakefield and john kear thought it was like "watching paint dry" dire do it to shuddersfield and he creams himself on bbc tv john kear
To be fair, I think Kear was more upset that we didn't use lube or give him a reach around icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Phuzzy "No it isn't. That is your definition. Not the official one according to the rules of the game. I could more justifiably say it isn't reckless by definition of him being commited. Of course, none of us have the right to present either as fact as it is purely opinion. At least have the decency to not make things up and post them as fact. There is nowhere in the rule book (or indeed anywhere else) where a tackle of this nature is deemed 'reckless'. In fact the only thing the judiciary could comment on was the fact that O'Loughlin's shoulder caught Robinson's face was 'careless'. Not the tackle itself mind. They actually ruled that the contact was justifiable. How in God's name is that 'reckless'? He's entitled to smash Robinson to the ground with as much force as he is able to muster. '"

No, its the definition of the word reckless, thats what it means, it isnt an opinion, there's a book you can look at called a dictionary, it will tell you that reckless means.

to be indifferent to the consequence (the consequence being he committed and illegal tackle, which even you in your oh so precious attempts to defend him, admit he did) he was reckless.

Quote: Phuzzy "Then what are you arguing about? The referee's decision was that the tackle was a little late. That's all. Nothing else. Zip. '"
Thats fine, we can accept that, and when there are maybe one or two tackles that are just a little high on O'loughlin, a bit of niggle on the floor that goes a little too far, we can accept it when the referees dont send off the huddersfield players cant we?


Quote: Phuzzy "
No it isn't. He isn't the one charged with deciding what is reckless or not. Neither should he be. That is the referee's job. What the hell fantasy world do you live in? '"
if he isnt, he shouldnt really be the one in charge of making sure his players arent reckless with their tackles on the wigan players should he? After all, who is he to judge? If Keith Mason catches O'loughlin with a high tackle that is a little reckless its nothing really to do with Brown is it?

Quote: Phuzzy " You can't acidentally punch someone! As for proving there was intent...er...that is exactly the point! If Nathan Brown announces to the world that he intends (see that word? Look it up and you'll find that it has the same derivative as intent!
I can assure you it is. There is just a word missing, most intelligent people would have understood that

Quote: Phuzzy "In fact the same can be said for any aspect of the game. Or do you think players only get injured as a result of this particular aspect of the game?'"
ill just quote the next part, which was the relevant part, which for some reason you separated
Quote: Phuzzy ".

When committing a challenge like O'loughlin did there is always the chance the opposition player could be hurt or injured. Within the rules of the game O'loughlin has no responsibility, When he steps out of the rules of the game he takes total responsibility for the outcome. O'loughlin took the opportunity to put pressure on the player but was reckless as to whether or not he did this within the rules of the game. His primary concern wasnt to play within the rules of the game, nor was it for the safety of the opposition player. It was to put pressure on the playmaker, by any definition this is reckless
'"


Quote: Phuzzy "And this is why we have penalties, putting on report and ultimately the judiciary. Your point is?'"
That O'loughlin was reckless as to staying in the rules. I have said that a few times for you

Quote: Phuzzy "Not the opinion of the referee or any of the officials at the game. Neither the judiciary. Remind me again why you are the arbiter of what is reckless and what is not as I don't remember entering a parallel universe where you had been appointed. Or shall we actually tell it like it is and state that you are once again stating your opinion and arguing it as fact?'"
Nobody needs to be the arbiter of what is 'reckless' in this situation. It was 'reckless', reckless is a word with a definition. I'm not sure why you seem to think recklessness is some abstract concept that needs adjudication.

Quote: Phuzzy "First of all who are you to decide that his primary concern wasn't to play within the rules of the game? Are you privvy to information the rest of us aren't? Are you a personal friend of his or something? Please share this information and insight. I'm sure it would be most illuminating. Or are you once again stating your opinion as fact? Let me guess....

Secondly, there you go again with the "reckless by definition". No it isn't. Only in your opinion.'"


here is a link to a definition of the word reckless. Read it and you can catch up to the rest of us
And what is it I don't understand again? As far as I can see there has been nothing in your argument thus far that has been in any way complex. '"
well the word reckless for one. You are correct, there is nothing I have put which is in any way complex. Which is why Im not sure why you are struggling so much

Quote: Phuzzy "
Why? Unless you're suggesting vigilantism is the correct response to anything you don't like then one does not follow the other at all. I have no problem with the rough stuff as such, and the inconsistancies of the judiciary aside,am quite satisfied that we have the mechanisms in place to deal with them. Where we differ is that you feel that you should be the one that decides what constitutes illegal play. I don't.
'"
I dont want decide what constitutes illegal play. Im happy to leave that to the refs and the rules. I just dont mind too much when a prop hands out a little 'rough justice' to keep the game honest. As long as it is kept safe and proportionate.

Quote: Phuzzy "Well actually you're advocating that as long as you are the one that gets to decide. That's an entirely different thing.'"
You are right. It is an entirely different thing. One which up until now we werent even talking about. Im not giving penalties bans or wanting any rules changed. Im just saying the game has 'enforcers', coaches can use them, this isnt really a bad thing and certainly no worse than repeatedly throwing yourself at a prone player who cannot defend themselves. And all teams, at least try, to do both. I dont get the hypocrisy that Brown is somehow terrible for talking publicly about it

Quote: Phuzzy "Again, well done for putting words in my mouth. Where have I ever posted this view. My only viewpoint here is that in this particular instance the correct punishment was given on the day. Brown's bleating and threats was soley concerned with the fact that he thought it was worth an 8 week ban and that he should be the one who gets to decide this. His subsequent comments were a poor effort to rationalise his ridiculous dummy spit. Had they not been he would have complained to the board or media when his own player escaped a ban last season. Maybe he could even have implemented the ban himself as it was entirely in his power to do so. Does he only feel this strongly when it's another team's player? Surely not! icon_lol.gif I didnt say you did say it.

I just said dont get precious about it being Wigan, maybe there literally is no criticism we can throw at them, maybe it was an accident in this case and maybe wigan dont target it, but 13 other teams do.

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