It's no negativity it's realism.

I'll all for Wigan (obviously and there progression) I can just see players for what they are and how we've performed this season.

It's not just to do with results but how we are playing which one game apart is poorly.



So you would be happy to make the playoff? What does that mean? In 8th place or 1st place? I expect no one thinks we have a remote chance of 1st or 2nd but if we finish lower in the league than we did last season we will have gone backwards for the third year running and that possibility is at the back of many people minds I think.

Dave

Sorry but you can see players for what you think are. At the end of the day it's all opinions and no ones matter more than any others on here.

There are many, many factors contributing to bad performances from the players to the coaches to even the fans. It would be foolish to try and blame one area as fully to blame.

As you originally noticed I commented on several players being overrated.

I guess its the way you take it then. One player playing badly is never good but several (in your opinion) playing badly then maybe you have to start looking the coaching staff and asking why so many are turning in bad performances?

Why is it so called lesser players at Wakey and Cas are performing above their standings?

Like I said one player not doing it is bad but several then it’s to much of a coincidence?

Like I said this thread was about players being overrated.
Fans believe hype then getting upset when the team doesn't perform.

I simply said Hansen IMO is overrated, I have stated why. I also listed several others.

You're banging your head against a brick wall on here, mate.

There are those on here who think "over-rated" means "e". There are players who (as far as the majority on here seem to think) walk on water despite obvious failings, while there are others who if they actually did walk on water people on here would question the quality of the water.

There are players in teams both past and present who have been lauded on this message board and yet this is the only place I heard anything positive about them, similarly some players have been ritually slaughtered on here despite elsewhere being relatively well thought of.

I'm not going to get into the who I rate, don't rate debate, because it's pointless, if you fly in the face of the majority you're castigated as a know nowt. For what it worth I think a lot of posters should re-read the original post and take time to understand its meaning and not assume its an out and out assassination of the current squad.

If that sounds patronising, I apologise, I just think the point has largely been missed.

Didn't know Hansen was rated at all. I thought he just got on with the job and everyone just accepted it.

It doesn't sound patronising at all. Great post!!!

Please tell me you're joking? I refuse to believe this isn't a wind-up?

Spot on, if anything he is underrated.

Very rarely does he get applauded for having a good game and most of the time his work goes unnoticed, which is why some people maybe believe he is clueless in attack.

Ideally I would only be happy if we finished in the top 4 and maybe made it to the CC final and winning it.

However judging on our opening few games, I feel 4th to 8th is more realistic. If it means finishing in this position but having Tomkins and Ainscough being played regularly then I'll be content, as we will be building for the future whilst still finishing in a respectable position.

With the youngsters we have, I'm willing to be patient if it means we will be back at the top winning things in 3 to 5 years, but some fans want instant success and that wont be happening overnight.

Can't argue with that, If I was going to write a thread complaining about any of our players, Hansen would be somewhere near the bottom of my list... totally under-rated solid player.