poor that one Stu,as you questioned me about being sarcastic before of which i wasnt.

I won't say too much on last night's game as I am sure you don't want or need my thoughts but it has to be said what a class act Matty Peet is in defeat yet again. I immediately warmed to him after his post-match interview on Good Friday and again at Magic. Last night too he was calm and measured in his answers and was full of praise for the opposition, making no excuses. Can't help but like the bloke to be fair.

We got mullered YG,hopefully learn from that and move.
And yes we do like Peet for his honesty and that he has brought a smile to the Wigan fans and others from the sound of it.

Peet out, we need to bring Wellens in asap

Looks like it’s pretty much 1-1 on that trophy front now, glad we closed the gap between us who’ve been champions for well over 1,000 days and the team that beat us once that were so far above us!

Thanks for that

Can you please translate that? I take it that English wasn’t your strongest subject at school?

There was nothing wrong with the English, however I can take more rudimentary steps to explain it for you if needed.

With the results over the weekend (you losing to Leeds and us beating Wakefield), that gives us a 6 point cushion at the top of the league. With that plus the fact that we don’t have the most difficult run-in, I’m insinuating that the league leaders shield is now all but wrapped up. That makes it 1-1 on the trophy front for our respective teams this year.

Now, the logic of some in this thread dictates that winning a trophy is the only true measurement of who the better team is, regardless of any other circumstances. Thus, we apparently had a gap to close in order to call ourselves as good a team as Wigan. I’m pointing out that this gap is now closed, and thank god.

I was then pointing fun at the logic in the first place, as saying there is a gap between us, who have been champions for over 1,000 days now, and you, who beat us in one knock-out game just because you lifted the CC is fairly laughable. It was tongue-in-cheek, if you will.

You can have half a point for the hubcap and that’s generous

Very true. I remember everyone saying how Wigan were the best in the league in 2020

I said the CC, not the GF!

That said, you were miles better than Leeds

Thank you. I am not sure what other measurement you can use other than winning trophies, the other options are open to interpretation. That’s why Wigan are rightfully the greatest team in the game, by a long way.

You have won the Grand final 3 years on the trot for those 3 years you were the best team in those seasons.
Now what you are saying winning cups do not matter as you still are the best team,does this mean if Wigan win the GF you still are the best team this season.

No, of course not. But part of the point I was originally making is that not all trophies are equal. The CC is the easiest (by far) of the 3 to win, so it’s not a marker for the best team. The same way as winning the FA or Carabao cups aren’t a marker for the best team in football. Not to say they’re not great to win, I obviously would have loved for us to have won it and it’s a major trophy, but a lot of factors can go into winning the challenge cup, because it’s essentially just a small handful of games. I don’t think Leeds were the best team during any point of 2020, ditto Warrington in 2019.

The best team sometimes wins the CC, but certainly not always the case. There’s a big element of luck there that’s not really present when it comes to winning the super league (both the LLS and the GF). Although tbf, Saints won both the LLS and GF in 2014 and the majority of people wouldn’t say we were the best team that year (I’d argue we were before Walsh got injured but the argument could be made that if he was so pivotal for us then a one man team can’t really be considered the best).

This reply ended up a bit long but the point is that yes, winning trophies is obviously a good barometer for who the best team is, but it isn’t always reflective. That’s the nature of the fact that both of our major trophies come from knockout competitions, where anything can happen on the day. You’d say the league leaders shield should be the biggest barometer but even that isn’t true in the case of RL because a lot of teams don’t bother taking it seriously as it doesn’t mean anything and finishing 2nd is just as good a route to the GF, the top 8 system where Leeds won half their trophies was even worse

Though if you win the GF then you’ve won the 2 major trophies of the year so of course you can safely consider the gap closed in that case