Will we have to pay his wages up? Or them count against the cap as he’s been released? Or with it being a disciplinary reasons does it not count?

It did happen- 3years later

I don’t think many laughed at him for suggesting that (it would be stupid to think this couldn’t happen again), from memory he was laughed at for being stalker like with Zak.

It will be interesting to see what he has actually done, before the Saints game it was brushed off as something fairly minor by both the club and Zak.

And was this mismanagement by the Wigan club? As it was with Leeds and Castleford?

In fairness he only had what 6 months of his deal left so I suppose Wigan did pretty well with him

He was only as accurate as I am in saying that Tom Johnstone is going to leave Wakey. Of course he is. At some point. The bit NT neglected to say was when, and that was nearly 4 years ago. Wakey will be lucky if TJ is still there in 4 years time, so it seems like a reasonable punt on my part.

A little different, Hardaker has been sacked at every SL club he`s been at, when signed your chairman then blamed those clubs mismanagement of Zak when it was quite clear it was the man himself who had chance after chance. Wigan have done everything right by him, in fact you went above and beyond, if it wasn`t for Wigan he`d be playing in the championship at the very best if at all, and look at how he has repaid the club. I do think though you shouldn`t have bothered, he can`t keep himself out of trouble and he`s had chance after chance.

I don`t get the TJ comparison though, you`d be hard pressed to find a Wakefield fan that would disagree with you on that, in fact we thought he`d be off before he signed his last deal however Tom stuck by the club that stuck by him in some very dark times perhaps ZH could take a leaf out of this book.

He didn’t get laughed at for suggesting it would end in tears, he got laughed at for being obsessed with what Hardaker was doing away from the field. Most people on here didn’t want Hardaker but as it’s turned out we’ve had 3 and a bit seasons out of him and it’s all been reasonably uneventful (for Hardaker).

Facts are that he’s not a particularly good player anymore. A solid fullback and a decent centre. We’ll miss him because we’re now short of a decent player and a half decent goal kicker but i don’t think anybody will lose any sleep (well maybe Nottingham Tiger will as he’ll be in Hardakers bushes again).

I think saying he’s not a particularly good player is harsh, he played internationally at centre in the off season just gone and he’s a better full back as well, he’s been stuck on the wing this year so well out of position and a tough place to shine with a lack of pace. I could see him going Leeds and doing well at full back.

There were 2 incidents
So make sure you don't confuse wigans response prior to the Saints game and the reason he got dropped, with what happened a couple of days later and why he's been released etc.

2 different things

I’m not sure it is. He’s decent nowadays but as a centre I wouldn’t have him in the group of better ones in the league. He played for England due to a number of absences IIRC. Maybe it’s unfair to judge him on his wing performances and ultimately I think there’s been a real lack of motivation on his part to play anywhere other than fullback but on his actual performance levels as a centre or winger for us this season and last, I wouldn’t have him as a standout.

I agree if he goes to Leeds and plays fullback he’ll probably improve rapidly. He did play his best rugby for us at fullback early last season but he’s not going to play fullback here, so you’re left with an unmotivated, decent centre. Aside from any debate over his current level as a player, it’s just a relief to know there isn’t a disaster waiting around the corner.

be interested to know what the 2nd was

Not alcohol related just being an related.

Wouldn’t get on the team coach after Wakefield game and I hear ongoing lateness for training thereafter.
I assume summarily dismissed with no payment.

Not great timing but the club are 100% correct.
I actually applaud their actions.