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Quote: Jukesays "Was going to post this last night, Seems to be this months Scapegoat

I thought he did ok
In fact I thought most of our experienced heads did, Flower/Bullock/Greenwood/Clarke & Smith (Classing him as experienced is a bit much, and 1 really bad kick aside)
Greenwood in particular for me showed a bit of steel, took the ball up well and didn't die in the tackle, and 4/5 times in particular 1st half was isolated against Walmesley and other Saints forwards and made very solid 1

Agreed mate.
Flower for me was a bit disappointing, a lot of leg tackles for some reason which was odd but not a huge negative, just meant he got left on the floor quite a few times. His PTB was also so slow I thought he was doing it on purpose.

You could arguably class Byrne as 'experienced' too, played every game this year bar two and 14 appearances last year. I thought he was pretty poor for most of the match. When Saints scored in the corner he looked like he was running in sand he was that slow. Missed 7 tackles and only made 21, pretty poor rate.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "I think Clark has been good the last few weeks TBH but having been billed as the most explosive forward in the league (or something like that) people are no doubt wanting to see something more than solid stats.

Then again, people like Clubby for some reason and his stats are terrible and isn't exactly explosive either.'"


38 Tackles & 17 Carries is about 4 games For BFUT
But he has a catchy name in a song so that's ok.

I'm not interested in what Rads or anyone else says - I'm interested in what I see - He has a poor game about 4 weeks ago (Can't remember if it was the HKR one, but if it was so did a lot of others) but his performances in nearly all his other games has been around a 7/10 for me, which is ok, not brilliant but ok.

Currently he would be about my 5th choice Prop behind :-
Havard
Bullock
Partington
Flower

And with Greenwood & Shorrocks providing the Back up cover and bench spots he probably doesn't currently get in the 17
But should a prop drop out he would be in with a chance of a bench spot, along with Greenwood or Shorrocks

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next in line would be Byrne then


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Lets cut to the Chase - BFUT is way down!!!!!

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Quote: Wigg'n "Agreed mate.
Flower for me was a bit disappointing, a lot of leg tackles for some reason which was odd but not a huge negative, just meant he got left on the floor quite a few times. His PTB was also so slow I thought he was doing it on purpose.

You could arguably class Byrne as 'experienced' too, played every game this year bar two and 14 appearances last year. I thought he was pretty poor for most of the match. When Saints scored in the corner he looked like he was running in sand he was that slow. Missed 7 tackles and only made 21, pretty poor rate.'"


Thought his go forward was OK - Found his front quite a bit, but agree when he didn't it looked ponderous

Byrne has been poor last 3-4 games he's played - Not much lateral movement in defence, and he isn't making yard after contact or finding a quick PTB
His effort is usually ok, and because he's so young is going to have up & down moments, this seems to be a bit of a down moment but there's time - I see him as a Paul Prescott type project - never a world beater but could be a solid club player for the next 10 years

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Surprised with Clark’s stats tbh. He looked jiggered to me and was having a few rests in back play on tackle one and two but maybe he deserved them. I liked his willingness to get in the battle and to not back down to guys like Graham and LMS. There’s plenty to work on and he wouldn’t be in my first 17 but I’d certainly have him above Flower and Clubb. I thought Flower looked absolutely busted. It was a struggle to get up to play the ball and on that show he should probably retire rather than looking for a new contract anywhere.

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Quote: Jukesays "Thought his go forward was OK - Found his front quite a bit, but agree when he didn't it looked ponderous

Byrne has been poor last 3-4 games he's played - Not much lateral movement in defence, and he isn't making yard after contact or finding a quick PTB
His effort is usually ok, and because he's so young is going to have up & down moments, this seems to be a bit of a down moment but there's time - I see him as a Paul Prescott type project - never a world beater but could be a solid club player for the next 10 years'"


Do you think the Covid bout may have played a part? I don’t know if he had symptoms or not but his fitness has looked well off where it was a few weeks ago to me. He missed 7 tackles last night and it was a similar story in his last game before his positive test. Up until that point I always felt his fitness looked a strong point.

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Quote: Jukesays "Was going to post this last night, Seems to be this months Scapegoat

I thought he did ok
In fact I thought most of our experienced heads did, Flower/Bullock/Greenwood/Clarke & Smith (Classing him as experienced is a bit much, and 1 really bad kick aside)
Greenwood in particular for me showed a bit of steel, took the ball up well and didn't die in the tackle, and 4/5 times in particular 1st half was isolated against Walmesley and other Saints forwards and made very solid 1

Agree with all of that and my son also commented during the game that Greenwood was putting a lot more effort in.
The only complaint about Clark for me last night was that he should have sorted LMS out who needs a good slapping.

I thought Bentley was the best forward on the pitch last night by quite a distance.

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Quote: MattyB "How come this amazing team didnt 'up a gear' against Wire in the cup? They would have won at a canter and would now be looking forward to a semi final and probable trip to Wembley? Funny that.'"

It can happen in cup football .Warrington are a better team than Wigan and they played well on the day .It happens just like you getting hammered off HKR.

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Quote: saintnickle34 "It can happen in cup football .'"


Seems to happen to you a lot

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Quote: Wigg'n "Think people are being a bit harsh on Clark.

Not sure how many minutes he did but

He was all over the show in a stint that was far longer than what he's used to. The criticism he's received on this thread was a head scratcher for me - I felt like I was watching a different game.

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Quote: saintnickle34 "It can happen in cup football .Warrington are a better team than Wigan and they played well on the day .It happens just like you getting hammered off HKR.'"


That's funny, we've beaten them this season.

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Quote: MattyB "That's funny, we've beaten them this season.'"


Both us and saints have a 100% record against the wire.

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Quote: Jukesays "Thought his go forward was OK - Found his front quite a bit, but agree when he didn't it looked ponderous

Byrne has been poor last 3-4 games he's played - Not much lateral movement in defence, and he isn't making yard after contact or finding a quick PTB
His effort is usually ok, and because he's so young is going to have up & down moments, this seems to be a bit of a down moment but there's time - I see him as a Paul Prescott type project - never a world beater but could be a solid club player for the next 10 years'"


Has his form suffered due to illness?

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Quote: MattyB "That's funny, we've beaten them this season.'"


And I have little doubt you would narrowly beat them again if they have to play with 12 men for 60 minutes.

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Quote: FearTheVee "And I have little doubt you would narrowly beat them again if they have to play with 12 men for 60 minutes.'"


Just like you men did in the Ben Flower Grand Final (78 mins).

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Quote: MattyB "Just like you men did in the Ben Flower Grand Final (78 mins).'"


That game was never in doubt!! icon_biggrin.gif

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