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| Quote: P-J " He's making out like we've announced him as a coach then told him to go away for 12 months with no contact or contract. Sod off.'"
We basically did. Its pretty obvious that the club have not been in consultation with him regarding any preparation for next year.
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| Quote: Th'Observer "Could it be that Edwards doesn't sign a contract because of the legalities/compensation involved if Lam was a roaring success?
If Lam had cleaned up this year (obviously he can no longer do the quadruple or the treble for that matter) and with hindsight it looks silly to suggest we'd ever have been capable of that now but going off this assumption before a ball was kicked would tying Edwards to a deal and then us potentially sticking with Lam as Head Coach going forward result in a big pay-off for Edwards for essentially nothing? If he put pen to paper this surely would be the case?
It doesn't seem so ridiculous to suggest this as not too long after the deal was announced Edwards said he'd happily stand aside in the best interests of the club if Lam was successful and Lenagan himself said it'd be a nice dilemma for Wigan to have. In this scenario there'd be significant calls from a good percentage of fans to retain Lam.
The plan was clearly for Edwards to come in for 3 years after Lam passes the baton from Wane to Edwards but because of the uniqueness of the arrangement it seems as if they have left it open-ended as if it could always be subject to change. Again, I imagine this would be to save £££ on any potential pay-out to Edwards had we kept Lam?
For all we know Lenagan could've had a set date in his own mind of when the contract was going to be put on the table after the handshake agreement and he was happy that Edwards would stick to this verbally agreed commitment until the contract was put forward.
It seems naive to let this rumble on for 9 months without signing him to a contract however and now it seems as if either Edwards is trying to force the club's hand to get this boxed off or he has simply got cold feet/changed his mind whilst waiting.'"
Then why did the club announce a 3 year contract had been signed?
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "It's the clubs fault. They clearly failed to follow the most obvious of steps.
-Open communication
-Agree terms
-Produce contract which reflects terms
-Adjust contract if needed
-All parties sign the contract making all the t's and c's official
-Work out a time to announce the move
-Announce the appointment to the public.
If a contract was agreed and signed we wouldn't be in the middle of this sh%t storm.'"
I mean I know nowt about hiring someone but if it where me who was hiring and firing I’d print this list off and pin it to my wall in my office,
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "Then why did the club announce a 3 year contract had been signed?'"
It looks like poor wording on the club's part now that's for sure.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "I can't agree with that, you've sacrificed this year in order to wait for the guy that you really want, the golden goose that's gonna bring all your true believers back (in their 91/92 Norweb shirts) and you don't get pen on paper?
If he didn't want the job surely he wouldn't have entertained the conversations, and agreed to be wheeled out in front of the press, he's never going to be short of job offers in rah rah, (top ones not withstanding) so it's not like he came and chatted in order to get leverage.
your management team has dropped a bollock, you wouldn't announce that you've signed a player without pen on paper would you? that would be embarressing, same as this.'"
Oooh, you are well-named Mr Cat.
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| Seems to me
a) The timing here, straight after Wales win the Grand Slam, is surely not coincidental. This adds £££s to SE's value. And really, given the choice of England RU coach, Wasps coach, or Wigan coach, what order of desirability would most folk put them in? If, as now appears clear, on contract has been signed, then SE hasn't really done anything that much wrong.
b) That said, IL and Rads have been foolish at best, or deceitful at worst, by making out to fans that we had Edwards when we didn't.
c) The fans deserve a better, and much more detailed explanation of what the hell is going on than that two-sentence load of anodyne rubbish they've come out with.
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "We basically did. Its pretty obvious that the club have not been in consultation with him regarding any preparation for next year.'"
Pretty obvious because Edwards has run straight to the press and declared it?
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "We basically did. Its pretty obvious that the club have not been in consultation with him regarding any preparation for next year.'"
So you don't think Lenagan, Lam or Radlinski have been in contact with Edwards for months?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Do you believe that there's been no contact with Edwards over the last few months?'"
Of course they've been in contact.
The fact he's negotiating a deal with Wasps and refuses to answer the phone to Wigan after dropping this bombshell in a media interview tells you everything you need to know about his intentions and motives.
We've been played like a fiddle.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "So you don't think Lenagan, Lam or Radlinski have been in contact with Edwards for months?'"
No, the impression i get from Edwards comments is that he has no idea what is going on.
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| Quote: P-J "You'd support Edwards walking away?
This is clearly a bid to get himself in the shop window when his stock is at its highest. No doubt he's got his eye on the England RU defensive coach job.
If he wanted to come to Wigan it's a quick phone call to Radlinski to confirm everything is still on track. Airing it in the media shows his true intentions.
Fair play to him, if nothing has been signed then he's well within his rights to hawk his services about, but I'll certainly think less of him and will not support him.'"
100%
Sorry to make a lazy Brexit pun but there’s no deal on the table. He is, as of the end of the RU World Cup unemployed. I’ve no doubt he’s earned some good money in RU but for a man with ambitions such as SE’s he wants to be employed coaching.
Don’t get me wrong I’d be desperately disappointed and equally as annoyed if he never came to Wigan after all this but I would support him in the fact that he’s been led up the garden path just as much as you or I thinking he’d be the Head Coach come 2020.
A short non statement statement is not what we need from the club. We need accuracy, brevity and clarification on this. This whole saga sums up the clubs actions over recent history and it seems to me that the chickens have finally come home to roost. It does make me wonder whether there was a lot more to Shaun Wane’s shock departure than we were told.
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| Quote: P-J "Of course they've been in contact.
The fact he's negotiating a deal with Wasps and refuses to answer the phone to Wigan after dropping this bombshell in a media interview tells you everything you need to know about his intentions and motives.
We've been played like a fiddle.'"
His intentions and motives to legally secure employment for next year?
Look, its quite simple. Had Wigan got him to sign a contract when he was paraded as having signed a 3 year contract then we wouldnt be here now. You can spin it in favour of Saint Lenegan as much as you like but the bottom line is that Edwards is looking out for himself as anybody would do in his situation of impending unemployment. The club made a complete b*lls up whether intentionally or not.
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| Quote: Orrell Lad "Is it bad that I’m hoping Edwards is in the right on this issue and the club get shown up for their amateurism?'"
I think that view is shared amongst us all
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "No, the impression i get from Edwards comments is that he has no idea what is going on.'"
How hard would it have been for him to ask ... without doing it via the newspapers? He was at the club a couple of weeks ago, watching the WCC.
I ended up agreeing with you that the Edwards deal suddenly looked unlikely, but I think you risk looking naive if you keep shouting about it all being down to IL and SE carrying no can at all - especially when he told the Times today that he was waiting to see if he was getting the England job. That's not the kind of thing that suddenly comes out of the blue. How would he secure the England job by saying 'I wanted Wigan but they don't want me, so I'm coming to you instead?'
Don't assume Edwards is whiter than white. I suspect he was lured elsewhere quite some time ago.
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| The known facts fit both hypotheses. P-J *might* be right, and SE *might* be refusing to answer the phone etc. That's certainly the spin the club's two sentences look to put on it.
And if that is the case, then as noted upthread, surely the relationship is irrevocably soured.
Either way, the club come out of it looking like fools, or knaves, or both.
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