I remember a snow covered Central Park when you came and beat us 17-0. Might have been a Floodlit Trophy game!

I don't.

Traditionally, 'Cas' are one of our bogey teams.

Qu'est-ce que ce?

Who are you going to blame next season when Tomkins is in oz. Yes you had players missing but so did we.

1st choice prop: Ben Davies
1st choice centre: Jake Webster
1st choice winger: Justin Carney

When you played us at home Carney made Tomkins look like an amateur at the back he simlpy just ran straight through him. Your allowed to be dissapointed at getting beat by a team missing 3 of thier 1st choice players and yes you only had 4 days to recover but your supposed to have strength in depth? So were is it if thats the case. They call cas a one man team, think they need to apply the same to Wigan and Tomkins by the sound of it

Fair play to Cas they were the better of two poor teams. I don't think either side played particularly well. That could have had something to do with the ball being like a bar of soap for most of the game, but obviously that's the same for both teams.

I think Cas just nullified our attack more. We couldn't get our second phase attack going due to their wingers pushing up and suffocating our attack. That's one of the few cricisms I'll level at us these past few years is our inability to have a plan B when this happens. There were times on Friday when we just looked lost and it harked back to the Noble-era one man rugby.

It wasn't funny at the time though - I remember Carney and Webster murdering us down our left side that game. Think Hughes was at centre?

So it seems no one wants to pass comment on what your gonna be like without tomkins ?

Maybe like most normal, rational human beings, they're opting to wait and see.

You don't know who they'll sign in the closed season?

Still better than you

Sorry my crystal balls in the wash!

Can anyone offer a convincincing argument that we aren't a "one-man" team? Results when Sam doesn't play aren't good. We have excellent players in Lockers/Pat/Josh/Faz/H/MMac etc but take Sam out and we really struggle (Leeds away, Huddersfield away, Widnes away).

Obviously we could sign someone, but I don't see anyone good enough in SL apart from maybe Greg Eden (joke) or Hardaker (who I doubt we could get) and whilst there are about a dozen NRL fullbacks who we'd fancy, would any of them come over?

Moving Josh to full back may be the best solution because he has all of the attributes needed, but SW doesn't seem too keen to play him there. He must have his reasons, maybe Josh doesn't fancy it there (He was doing pretty well at Huddersfield until Gelling got injured forcing Josh to go back on the wing).

If Josh did go FB we'd need two wingers. It may just be easier to find wingers than a full back right now.

By the way, it always kills me when opposition fans say Wigan are a "one man team" - but he's crap anyway!!!!! (Go figure, as the yanks say)