Ah right, I didn't know that.

Is he expected back this year or is he gone for the year?

Gone for the year. Was meant to playing a couple of weeks ago for his comeback but tore his peck during the week.

Think even if he could be back this year they wouldn't play him, let him just have an extra long preseason. The props we've had have done the job.

Yep.

Get him back at 100% for February.

I thought the move between Prescott and Lima for limas first try was top class and well rehed and then mossop did the same for Lima's second.

Prescott is so underrated by rival fans it's untrue. The fact is since completing his law degree he's been nothing short of superb for us. His game really has come on leaps and bounds, constantly adding new bit's to his nal. Such as passing just before hitting the defensive line.

Nobody will touch him in case he sues the shiznit out of them.

But in all seriousness you have two very underrated and effective props in Paul Prescott and Lee Mossop. The quality in depth of the Wigan pack is unreal, this can be highlighted that when Mossop was going off one of my mates said 'Although it's not nice to see somebody injured, that helps our cause for the GF.' I replied to that by saying 'It doesn't matter they still have Cross and Hock to come in.'

The quality of depth of your pack is something which you undoubtedly rule over in SL, with Huddersfield coming next. I'd argue that Saints' starting 6 can be better than Wigan's on a given day but when you compare the fact that your Gareth Hock and Liam Farrell = our Matty Ashurst and Andrew Dixon it shows how much Saints lack in depth.

I read somewhere not that long ago that Madge was working on the forwards being more involved with the play and creativity. Seems its working!

It was a very clever play. Leeds didn't expect Prescott to pass which left a gap for a big fast guy like Lima to go thru

I think it's something thats done the opposite for Graham. At one point, it was a very effective tool.

Nowadays though, whether its because he fancies himself as a halfback or (the more likely scenario) because he is having to play ridiculously long minutes in a 1 man pack, he does that move far far too often and it has lost the element of suprise.

I wouldn't say we've got a one man pack. Th forwards have done very well this year and it's our lack of creativity from the backs thats been our problem.

Graham - been a workhorse and played long mins( tbh not had the best season)
Roby - been awesome and will be contender for MOS
Lms - been average but showing he's strarted to settle
Sia - had great season
Wilkin - been awesome and had his best season since 2006
TP - another great season by the big man

Its not a clever play its just dumb defence.

Stunning that players are willing to over commit at this level.

Millward got Balu doing it, its as basic as it gets and highlights just how far behind the NRL we are when this is seen as a clever play. Its a forward taking it to the line and passing the ball.

Arti Beetson was doing this 30 odd years ago.

Which there was an awful lot of from Leeds, despite all the chat about how well they played.

Three of Wigan's tries were walk-overs from near the line. That's disgraceful defence from a supposed top side. And dubious refereeing decisions had nothing to do with it. It wouldn't have made any difference had the pass to Lima for his second been half an inch further back, while Tommy grounded the ball cleanly - we were very close and saw that he had the ball firmly in the crook of his arm (the fact that he happened to but his hand on the ball afterwards was irrelevant).

I'm glad you've cleared that up. It wasn't very clear from the various camera angles shown on tv. Its good that somebody who saw it once at real speed from the "very close" stands can confirm to us what actually happened; thanks.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but three separate people at Wembley told me Liam Farrell is off to Widnes. Now they may have all got it from the same person or even known each other but the fact they all gave the same reason got my attention. According to them he wants regular first team action.

that's the problem with having a good squad, some good players who would be in a starting 13 in some other teams can't even get a seat on the bench when all players are fit.