He can't win can he?

You accuse him of not making the metres of other props, and when shown that he makes more, find an excuse for it!

Lima is doing a job for Wigan in that he takes the ball up two or more times per set. I think he's going well.

I already said it earlier in the thread I believe, but I genuinely think you're expecting way too much of him.

You can have big buys like Feka who are so big and bulky that they have huge momentum and swat off defenders and make enormous individual carries of the ball. Or you can have someone who does a consistent job, over a longer more sustained period of time, ultimately gaining the team more metres in total.

There is a space for both types of player in a pack in SL today, but you can't expect someone to fill both roles, it's just unreasonable of you to do so.

Personally I reckon Lima for you fits the latter mould, yes a big burst up field making a great amount of ground forward can be of enormous benefit within an individual attacking set of 6, but don't underestimate the value of a player who makes good (not fantastic) ground forward and wins you a quick PTB. (You do of course need a hooker sharp enough there to take advantage of a quick PTB but that's a separate issue).

Bit early for Finch in my opinion. He's a class player, no doubt about that. But anybody would struggle a little coming into a big game like that with no match fitness.

I thought we were very good in all aspects on friday, particularly defence. And as much as Wigan fans won't admit it, I honestly dont think there was that much between the sides. And there won't be when we meet again later in the year.

Looks like Jeff is the new scapegoat.

So far for me, he's done pretty much what Fielden does..........the hard graft that goes un-noticed.

I agree with the above statement but we already have prop forwards who can do that job for us effectively. What Wigan need is a prop that makes more headway similar to Morley or Carvell which we do not have currently. I may have been harsh in using the term 'crap' earlier, he does find the ground well for quicker PTB's but for a man who counts as an overseas player with probably a decent amount of salary cap money I don't think, so far, its money well spent simply because we have other players who can do that job already at the club.

Lima isn’t doing anything different than what he did for the Storm.

He’s a hard worker in both attack and defence but he’s certainly not a barnstormer and never has been either.

He’s fitted in perfectly with our other sets of props and for me when Hock and Fielden return we’ll have the best pack in SL.

I’ve absolutely no issues with how our pack has played this season.

Hoffman has been superb,
Faz, Mossop & Prescott have all kicked on and fulfilling their potential.
Lima, Coley and Hansen are all working hard and doing their jobs as well as anyone could ask.
Lockers has been excellent seeing he’s been asked to play HB and LF this season. He was my MOM against Hudds and turned the game vs Hull.
Mcilorum will get better week after week but we’ve still got Tommy to move there as Finch is back.

+1 its our backs that arent finishing the job.