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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "Can somebody explain to JJB what a fact is
Since Wigan played Salford in the CC QF, the starting props for Wigan have been Coley and Prescott. That is a fact Stuart Fielden was absent for the CC QF, suspended?
For the last 6 game Wigan have played Feka and Fielden have been on the reserve bench That is a fact
Fielden has started games on 3 occasions with Feka. He has started as many games with O’Carroll in preference to Feka. He has started more games with Coley, 8 Those are facts.
So we can conclude that because you can only recall the most recent games you initial premise is a misconception because it is incorrect.
That is a fact'"
As you are so quick to, discredit my post. Due you mind pointing out where I have put started and not come on with Feka, or anyone else for that matter?
As for your discussion with Mr Hogan regarding Fielden's salary. Im pretty sure that we signed him on £225'000 a year. ( I have not got anything concrete to back this up but I'm fairly sure that was the figure banded at the time, which took us over the salary cap)
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| Quote: jjb10 "As you are so quick to, discredit my post. Due you mind pointing out where I have put started and not come on with Feka, or anyone else for that matter?
As for your discussion with Mr Hogan regarding Fielden's salary. Im pretty sure that we signed him on £225'000 a year. ( I have not got anything concrete to back this up but I'm fairly sure that was the figure banded at the time, which took us over the salary cap)'"
I really think we can discount that.
Knowing Mick Hogan, he wouldn't discuss a player's salary with anyone except the club chairman and the head coach.
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| Quote: jjb10 "As you are so quick to, discredit my post. Due you mind pointing out where I have put started and not come on with Feka, or anyone else for that matter?
As for your discussion with Mr Hogan regarding Fielden's salary. Im pretty sure that we signed him on £225'000 a year. ( I have not got anything concrete to back this up but I'm fairly sure that was the figure banded at the time, which took us over the salary cap)'"
Dear oh dear. All your defence of Stuart Fielden was based on the premise that because Feka did the running with the ball and was hopeless at defending that he was partnered by Fielden whose sole job was to defend and defend, even though FACTUALLY he has missed more tackles than any other prop at Wigan and FACTUALLY Andy Coley was superior v Leeds.
Your defence was based on the fact that the two reserve props enter the field together on the 20 minute mark approximately. Only recently have those reserves been Fielden and Feka. Feka leaves the pitch much sooner than Fielden and subsequent interchanges are rarely if ever co-ordinated.
How hard can it be to realise that if your whole view is bassed on some apparent simbiotic relationship between Fielden and Feka that your whole argument falls down.
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "Can I point out that your whole view is based on a misconception on your part. Namely, that Fielden and feka are a pair thay play together to produce a single player. A single player that costs nearly £500,000 pounds each season and leaves Wigan apparently with only 12 players v 13.
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That's nearly as much as Matt King!
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| Quote: jjb10 "
As for your discussion with Mr Hogan regarding Fielden's salary. Im pretty sure that we signed him on £225'000 a year. ( I have not got anything concrete to back this up but I'm fairly sure that was the figure banded at the time, which took us over the salary cap)'"
To be fair though, he did then change his mind and say that it was
Quote: jjb10 "The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season.'"
So, if you've overpaid Feka by paying him £150k a year, added to your £225k that is nearly £400k
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "That's nearly as much as Matt King!'"
You're on good form today.
Feeling better?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "You're on good form today.
Feeling better?'"
Aye, a lot thanks. It's taken a lot out of me though, I can just about move my typing fingers
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation.'"
Absolute rubbish.
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "The irony BK. I do find it disrespectful that you took the name of a club legend yet behave as you do in his name.
The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation.'"
How can it be nearly?
That's 25% difference between the figures.
I'm glad you don't do any estimating of how much carpet I need for the house.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "How can it be nearly?
That's 25% difference between the figures.
I'm glad you don't do any estimating of how much carpet I need for the house.'"
Do you not want carpets on your walls
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "How can it be nearly?
That's 25% difference between the figures.
I'm glad you don't do any estimating of how much carpet I need for the house.'"
I must apologise for using the incorrect word. So Rogues Gallery do you agree or disagree that the combined salaries per season of Feka and Fielden is in the range of 400,000 - 5000,000 ? That Wigan RLFC find it very hard to justify commiting even more of the cap beyond their current allocation despite wanting to sign a prop (Wigan RLFC recognise that Stuart Fielden is not doing the job even if you do not)
AJ you are (as BK also is) a category 4 forum contributor Rogues is a category 2 forum contributor so he warrants a reply.
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| I thought Feka had re-signed under IL and, if that's the case, I'm not sure he would be on that kind of salary.
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "I must apologise for using the incorrect word. So Rogues Gallery do you agree or disagree that the combined salaries per season of Feka and Fielden is in the range of 400,000 - 5000,000 ? That Wigan RLFC find it very hard to justify commiting even more of the cap beyond their current allocation despite wanting to sign a prop (Wigan RLFC recognise that Stuart Fielden is not doing the job even if you do not)'"
Utter rubbish,
I challenge you to post a transcript of exactly what Mick Hogan told you regarding salaries if you are so sure.
Quote: The Wigan Observer "AJ you are (as BK also is) a category 4 forum contributor
And you sir are a Jackass.
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "I must apologise for using the incorrect word. So Rogues Gallery do you agree or disagree that the combined salaries per season of Feka and Fielden is in the range of 400,000 - 5000,000 ? That Wigan RLFC find it very hard to justify commiting even more of the cap beyond their current allocation despite wanting to sign a prop (Wigan RLFC recognise that Stuart Fielden is not doing the job even if you do not)
AJ you are (as BK also is) a category 4 forum contributor
I've no idea what their salaries are and I suspect neither have you. I've been pretty consistent in my appraisal of Fielden.
His stats tell me that he is the best prop at the club, but needs to cut out his errors and penalties.
It's the expectations of us the fans that he would be the best prop in the world and he certainly hasn't lived up to that tag.
He's doing o.k. in that he is working hard but not what we expected.
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| AJ - Category 4 Forum Contributor
Rogues you place far too much importance upon statistics and are selective in their use. However, based on OPTA v Leeds. Andy Coley was better than Stuart Fielden with the exception of handling errors and penalties conceded. Ignoring statistics I think 99.9% of fans would agree that Andy Coley played better than Stuart Fielden v Leeds. Karl Harrison praised Coley not Fielden. we also need to remember that Andy Coley and Paul Prescott both play in the most intense / toughest part of any match, the opening quarter and v the best opposition props. They statistically and with our own eyes did better than Fielden despite Leeds being far better in the opening half. When they left the pitch and Fielden entered the pitch, Leeds started to score tries. Personally I think it is very unfair to blame a player like that but a certain category 2 forum contributor likes to do that with other players, Riddell and McIlorum for example. You will never be awarded category 1 status until you learn how to use statistics and stop making unfair comparison Rogues
Feka / Fielden = 400-500,000 per season BTW
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