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| Quote NSW="NSW"Will make finishing top a hard task but at least he should be back and firing for the playoffs.
Last year when he missed a similar length of time we opted for French at fullback, with Shorrocks/Hampshire in the halves.
French continues at full back for me.
He’s had a couple of bad performances and everyone’s getting on his back but I feel with a run a games Hampshire would improve and be a steady option.
Farrimond is also an option but seems like a Smith type player, kicker/general rather than a runner.
I would mind see Keighran playing 6, he played there a lot for Catalan last year and could be a running threat in that position. Eckersley’s pace and athleticism could benefit us in the centres.
Leeming in the halves is another option but can’t really recall how he played there for Leeds.'"
If Hampshire is carrying an injury and there is another option in Farrimond i would like to see us explore it, from what i have seen of Farrimond he doesn't seem too slow and has a bit of a step on him. Not saying that instantly means that somebody can make the switch to Stand Off, but giving it a shot against London isn't exactly throwing him to the dogs either. If Hampshire is injured that could be a factor in his poorer performances and if we feel he would benefit from a couple of weeks rest then leaving him out of London gives him the international break also to recover from whatever is niggling him.
Keighran or Leeming could be interesting choices, though in Leemings case it would be a shame to lose him out of the Hooker rotation as it has been really potent for us this year.
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| Quote Stu M="Stu M"Come off it, its only one player! I know you have Isa injured too but would he make your first choice 17? You've got the strongest squad and barely any injuries plus you have more home games left than anyone. I'd be staggered if you don't finish top
Remember that we are still without Walmsley, Batchelor, Whitley, Knowles, Lomax and now Makinson. That's not even counting Wingfield.'"
I do agree with you on this Stu, i don't see it de-railing our season and we should have enough for 90% of the league still, it is just about finding that right combination in the spine for us now.
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| As Field is not out for months then I guess there was no need to look too far for a replacement?
Maybe throwing Eckersley/Sumner in may have knocked their confidence if it went badly.
However, Farrimond looks to have the confidence and ability to step up into the halves now and his kicking is a bonus.
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| Just bring out the next one off the Wigan R.L.F.C. production line.

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| I personally don’t like the idea of shifting French back there now.
French is a 6 and still learning the position I want him to stay there and we need in my opinion to look at options for 1.
I’d quite like to see Kerighan have a run there with Eckersley taking the centre spot.
Rocky for me has struggled so far when given a chance, obviously there are reasons for that, but I’d like to explore other options with Ricky being the fallback option
Smith and Farrimond for me doesn’t work at this stage in the halves. They have similar strengths and we lose a lot of strike if we go down that route.
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| Bin off Isa and bring in a loan player from Ozz, It worked out great with that Nick Graham fellow
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| Quote jonh="jonh"I personally don’t like the idea of shifting French back there now.
French is a 6 and still learning the position I want him to stay there and we need in my opinion to look at options for 1.
I’d quite like to see Kerighan have a run there with Eckersley taking the centre spot.
Rocky for me has struggled so far when given a chance, obviously there are reasons for that, but I’d like to explore other options with Ricky being the fallback option
Smith and Farrimond for me doesn’t work at this stage in the halves. They have similar strengths and we lose a lot of strike if we go down that route.'"
I agree with much of that but the bit in bold is a little strange. How do you know it doesn't work? As far as I'm aware they haven't even played together. I'm guessing that the coaching staff will have tried this combination in training and would only put it into practice if they thought it could work. Besides which, we have won a title with Deacon and Leuluai, neither of whom were really a running threat. The combination may well not work but we simply don't know until we see it in action.
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| I can't say I'm an expert on Farrimond but I've seen a decent amount of him now between the academy, reserves and first team and I do think there is enough differences between him and Smith to make a partnership possible. He's got more of a running game then Smith for one but I also see him as a bit more of an off the cuff player than Smith. He can organise and kick a side around the field but he comes up with some outrageous bits of individual skill and he looks inventive with his kicking close to the opposition line, which is something I think Smith can struggle with at times. It's probably a conversation for a year or two down the line anyway but they could form a good partnership for me.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"I can't say I'm an expert on Farrimond but I've seen a decent amount of him now between the academy, reserves and first team and I do think there is enough differences between him and Smith to make a partnership possible. He's got more of a running game then Smith for one but I also see him as a bit more of an off the cuff player than Smith. He can organise and kick a side around the field but he comes up with some outrageous bits of individual skill and he looks inventive with his kicking close to the opposition line, which is something I think Smith can struggle with at times. It's probably a conversation for a year or two down the line anyway but they could form a good partnership for me.'"
I thought the same NK which is why I found Jon's assertion a little strange. He's not a running threat in the way that French is but he certainly has more threat than Smith. He's also got an excellent kicking game in his own right which increases the options there and is something French has needed to add to his game since moving to 6 and is still something he is working on. Different from French for sure, but that's no reason Farrimond couldn't bring his own positives to the combination.
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| I wouldn't disagree with that, NK, but don't forget French is also 'inventive with his kicking close to the opposition line', and he'll still be in the team! So, we have options.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"I agree with much of that but the bit in bold is a little strange. How do you know it doesn't work? As far as I'm aware they haven't even played together. I'm guessing that the coaching staff will have tried this combination in training and would only put it into practice if they thought it could work. Besides which, we have won a title with Deacon and Leuluai, neither of whom were really a running threat. The combination may well not work but we simply don't know until we see it in action.'"
For me both Smith and Farrimond are organisers primarily.
The reason our halves are so effective is because French is generally a strike player whilst Smith is the midfield general.
Game has changed since the days of Tommy and Deacon.
They could make a good partnership in the future but Farrimond needs time to mature and develop that strike at first team level.
To be honest I’d be surprised though if we see it for more that a season or 2 if at all as front line halves.
I think Farrimond will replace Smith in the similar role rather than play with him, as I expect within 3 years Smith will have headed to the NRL.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"For me both Smith and Farrimond are organisers primarily.
The reason our halves are so effective is because French is generally a strike player whilst Smith is the midfield general.
Game has changed since the days of Tommy and Deacon.
They could make a good partnership in the future but Farrimond needs time to mature and develop that strike at first team level.
To be honest I’d be surprised though if we see it for more that a season or 2 if at all as front line halves.
I think Farrimond will replace Smith in the similar role rather than play with him, as I expect within 3 years Smith will have headed to the NRL.'"
Jon, I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying you don't know and until you see them play together, that remains the case. It's not like Farrimond is a clone of Smith. They have overlapping skillsets but they also have several points of difference. Farrimond is more of a running threat for example. Not at the same level of French, for sure, but then neither is anyone else in Superleague. To suggest that 2 halves have to be polar opposites to be effective is, at the risk of sounding blunt, nonsense. Peet has recently said that they're looking to develop Smith's running game (why, if French is the running half?) and that they want French to develop his kicking game (why, if Smith is the kicker?). The answer to both those questions is, of course, that overlapping skillsets is desirable. Obviously, you would want points of difference too, but both halves being able to kick, for example, gives you options and makes you less predictable.
I've seen enough of Farrimond to be able to say that he has things in his locker that Smith doesn't have. Obviously, at 18 years of age, it's a question of whether he can continue to develop these enough to stand out at Superleague level as he does at academy level. That's the only variable that would determine whether he and Smith could perform well together, not that they have some similarities.
Finally, you say the game has moved on. Good half back play today is exactly the same as it's always been. Edwards and Gregory would be as good a pairing today as it was then. Deacon and Leuluai wouldn't suddenly become ineffective against Dodd and Lomax or Williams and Drinkwater when they won a title against much better players.
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