I would add SKD and Farrell to the random list

Top second rower for metres made, 2nd for tackles and tries scored, an average year for Farrell by his standards is still better than any second rower.

Absolutely correct. He’s that good that an average year by his standards, is better than pretty much every other second rower. A lot of people’s people mention Whitley, yet Faz has made nearly twice the amount of metres he has. He’s made a couple of hundred more tackles than most of the other second rowers in the conversation. He’s scored more try’s than any of them. It all just points to what a freak he is because we’d all say he’s not been on top of his game but he still easily warrants his place. He isn’t competing against himself, he’s competing against his peers.

Given our conversation the other week when I was off with my knee and you provided a much needed distraction

what do you think of Welsby over Field? Interestingly the Wigan fans who have posted their own team selection on here have all had Welsby over him too.....

I agree with it because it's picked over a full season and Field has missed too many games to get in, just as Miski missed too many at the beginning and just as guys like Sironen have missed too many as well. Sironen is a better player than Kallum Watkins but he's not in because that's not how it works.

I re-watched our game last night and Field was immense actually. I hadn't realise just how well he'd played on the night. He does things Welsby just cannot do but I guess we're going over old ground. He's a better fullback than Welsby IMO but Welsby would be better playing at 6. Interesting to look at the final tallies for try contributions (trys and assists). Field finished on 37, compared to Welsby on 39. Field did that in 7 less games. He missed a quarter of the season and had to spend time getting back from a bad hamstring injury.

Spot on

And we have a "Few" of our own fans that say he's finished, been poor, and after one extraordinary chat at Headingley a while back saying "Hes done nothing" (and then proceeded to score a try/set one up IIRC with a trademark break).

Reminds me of someone saying about 4 years ago that "Hes not big enough" etc etc and that we should go for "Someone like Dom Peyroux" to replace him
One thing I think we could agree on is that Liam Farrell is definitely No Dom Peyroux.

Farrell is absolute class and anyone who can't see that is blind as a bat.

Actually I’m a very big fan of Farrell in fact I’d put him the top 3 most influential players we’ve had so far this century along with SOL and Sam Tomkins.
I rarely look at stats and my view is more than likely clouded by comparing this season versus previous seasons exceptionally high standards of performance.

As an aside the best player imo in the competition isn’t in the 13 and statistically probably isn’t the top in any category but he’d be the first player I’d pick for my starting 13 namely Harry Smith.

I'm interested to see how Smith goes in the pressure games - he's certainly had a cracking season but I've previously felt he has some jitters in him when the pressure is on.

Smith is still relatively young. He did come up with that brilliant kick which Marshall got on the end of to score the match winning try in last year's C Cup Final.

Yup, he’s really kicked on and would be my England 7 alongside Williams at 6.