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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Good if we get an injury mid-game but I'd hope we never start like that. Bateman at centre for England in the World Cup was so bloody frustrating. Bags of metres coming out of yardage but his winger may as well not be playing. Plus again we're lessening the influence of one of our best players.'"
+ Zak has been doing a great job, so that would be another crazy move to make.
Sometimes there's something to be said for just keeping things simple. This is a team that was 5 mins or so off winning a GF. French, Hastings & Zak need to be kept as is and Bateman needs to do his thing in the forwards.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Well yeah mainly speed to be honest but I've only seen his highlights. Can he really not do us a better job than Bibby there at the start of the year as French did when he first came over? I can't see them dropping French, Leuluai or Hastings for him until he's proved himself. There's Field at 1 with French on the wing I suppose but I'd rather not lessen French's influence on games. Longer term I think they're hoping they can have a Field-Smith partnership with Leuluai retiring and Hastings likely leaving.'"
What has Bibby done to not get a shot at that shirt?
He has grown into the position nicely and will be an asset in 2021.
We use our wingers as ball carriers early in sets Field nor French are that guy that does that.
I’m expecting Field to drop in the halves with Hastings and Tommy off the bench sharing duties with Smith.
There is a lot more to wing play than speed.
Field isn’t that player despite the speed.
Looking forward I think the succession plan is in place to have Field and Smith as starting halves in 2022 assuming Hastings heads home and Tommy retires.
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| 178 metres for Bibby last night and the scorer of our only try. He has got better and better in this spell and I have no fears over him starting the season on the wing. In saying that though, I do fear relying too heavily on Manfedi’s fitness. I don’t think we will mind. It sounds like Hankinson will be moving on as well and I just can’t see is going in to 2021 with zero senior back up for either the centre or wing positions.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"What has Bibby done to not get a shot at that shirt?
He has grown into the position nicely and will be an asset in 2021.
We use our wingers as ball carriers early in sets Field nor French are that guy that does that.
I’m expecting Field to drop in the halves with Hastings and Tommy off the bench sharing duties with Smith.
There is a lot more to wing play than speed.
Field isn’t that player despite the speed.
Looking forward I think the succession plan is in place to have Field and Smith as starting halves in 2022 assuming Hastings heads home and Tommy retires.'"
I'm not as down on Bibby as others but he doesn't look a winger to me. I'd only be happy with a slower winger if he is really strong to the point where it's like tackling an extra forward coming out of yardage and he's not getting stopped from 5 metres out. Hall, McGillvary, J.Carney, even lesser guys like Ah Van, I get that. Bibby isn't in that bracket though, I don't think he's strong enough to make up for the lack of speed, and he doesn't have another string to his bow like agility/aerial ability/Makinson-like finishing. I think a proper winger would have done more with some of the ball he got yesterday. From memory (can't bring myself to rewatch the whole game) he overran his centre for one pass to touch, dived way too early for one opportunity, and fair enough scored a good try.
I don't mean to slate him so much because he would be my plan B if Field didn't work out, I agree he offers a lot in yardage and I do think he may make it at Wigan as a centre (maybe replacing Gildart if/when the NRL come knocking).
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"178 metres for Bibby last night and the scorer of our only try. He has got better and better in this spell and I have no fears over him starting the season on the wing. In saying that though, I do fear relying too heavily on Manfedi’s fitness. I don’t think we will mind. It sounds like Hankinson will be moving on as well and I just can’t see is going in to 2021 with zero senior back up for either the centre or wing positions.'"
He gave it his best shot last night and that will do for me. I prefer speed on the wing but I'm old school.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"What has Bibby done to not get a shot at that shirt?
He has grown into the position nicely and will be an asset in 2021.
We use our wingers as ball carriers early in sets Field nor French are that guy that does that.
I’m expecting Field to drop in the halves with Hastings and Tommy off the bench sharing duties with Smith.
There is a lot more to wing play than speed.
Field isn’t that player despite the speed.
Looking forward I think the succession plan is in place to have Field and Smith as starting halves in 2022 assuming Hastings heads home and Tommy retires.'"
I agree, there is no way field will play on the wing. We could have done with him yesterday, running at a tired Saints defence.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"I'm not as down on Bibby as others but he doesn't look a winger to me. I'd only be happy with a slower winger if he is really strong to the point where it's like tackling an extra forward coming out of yardage and he's not getting stopped from 5 metres out. Hall, McGillvary, J.Carney, even lesser guys like Ah Van, I get that. Bibby isn't in that bracket though, I don't think he's strong enough to make up for the lack of speed, and he doesn't have another string to his bow like agility/aerial ability/Makinson-like finishing. I think a proper winger would have done more with some of the ball he got yesterday. From memory (can't bring myself to rewatch the whole game) he overran his centre for one pass to touch, dived way too early for one opportunity, and fair enough scored a good try.
I don't mean to slate him so much because he would be my plan B if Field didn't work out, I agree he offers a lot in yardage and I do think he may make it at Wigan as a centre (maybe replacing Gildart if/when the NRL come knocking).'"
To start off by saying you are not as down on Bibby and then absolutely dismantle him as a player is somewhat strange.
I wasn’t combined with him on the wing but he has grown into the role very well over the last few weeks since called upon.
He did overrun his centre as did Burgess who you would call an out and out winger.
We are a salary capped sport in a time when finances are under pressure.
We have had 4 frontline wingers at the club before...it doesn’t work.
Field is not a winger. Never will be.
Sticking someone on the wing because they have pace doesn’t make sense when they are a half.
George Williams had a bit of toe, but you wouldn’t put him on the wing would you?
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| Quote jonh="jonh"To start off by saying you are not as down on Bibby and then absolutely dismantle him as a player is somewhat strange.
I wasn’t combined with him on the wing but he has grown into the role very well over the last few weeks since called upon.
He did overrun his centre as did Burgess who you would call an out and out winger.
We are a salary capped sport in a time when finances are under pressure.
We have had 4 frontline wingers at the club before...it doesn’t work.
Field is not a winger. Never will be.
Sticking someone on the wing because they have pace doesn’t make sense when they are a half.
George Williams had a bit of toe, but you wouldn’t put him on the wing would you?'"
Fair enough, I can't argue the point too strongly because I'm literally judging him from a highlights reel.
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| Quote dany1979="dany1979"Absolutely this.
I think both Burgess & Clarke have proved to be very poor signings based on what they have shown this season and it’s clearly cost us dearly.
We won’t have Flower & Clubb is not the player he was these days.
Having Field & Bateman is great news but we are going to have the same issues without bringing in a very solid prop.'"
Spot on, and you are right about Burgess and Clarke, but try telling it to some on here who think that the club never make bad signings.
Remember, Dennis Moran, Frank Paul-Nuuausala, Eddy Pettybourne, Karl Pryce, Jerry Scuseu, Tim Smith to name just six!
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| Bring in Inu and Kasiano, Job sorted
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| For the past 10 years we haven't had to "buy" a winger. Charnley, Burgess, Manfredi, Marshall and Davies have all fitted the position admirably.
With having no academy/reserves or scholarship this year it's hard to judge what was coming through. Cian Tyrer looked useful and quick but lacks size and I was looking forward to seeing how Joe Robinson would progress.
I suppose it all depends on IF Marshall AND Manfredi recover. I've said previously Tom Davies IMO should be our no.1 target, big, fast strong and an excellent finisher.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"For the past 10 years we haven't had to "buy" a winger. Charnley, Burgess, Manfredi, Marshall and Davies have all fitted the position admirably.
With having no academy/reserves or scholarship this year it's hard to judge what was coming through. Cian Tyrer looked useful and quick bit lacks size and I was looking forward to seeing how Joe Robinson would progress.
I suppose it all depends on IF Marshall AND Manfredi recover. I've said previously Tom Davies IMO should be our no.1 target, big, fast strong and an excellent finisher.'"
I would agree with all of that, now that Tom has proved that he has recovered from a bad injury I would be on the phone immediately if I was Rads. I think Tom has another year on his contract at Catalans.
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