Yes, because Flower and Clubb are missing. Give it a rest.

You got any better ideas? I'll give Shaun Wane a ring in the morning and tell him to sign Andrew Fifta and Kenny Bromwich to beef up the pack

By a distance as well. It doesn't feel as though its cost is too many of the losses we've had but it is hurting us and making games far more difficult.

We need to recruit a specialist IMO. If that means making a tough decision and letting somebody go then so be it. We've been scratching around for over three seasons now.

I'm not convinced that buying someone just for their kicking is the way to go, unless they're quality players as well, and there are few of those around. Plus, odds are with our luck they'd get injured! Rather bring in a specialist kicking coach to do a lot of work with a selected group of our players to bring them up to standard. I get the impression it's always been a very low priority up to now..."we'll have few lads try out the week before the season starts and see who's best"...

Someone persuade Andy Farrell to spend some time up here while it's their off season?

I agree,we haven't lost many games due to kicks and I don't think it's high on Wanes priority,Williams seems to have the best action and a decent length on his kicks,just make him practice and stick with him.
A goal kicking centre would be ideal but there is none around,the closest thing would be ratchford who isn't really a centre and wouldn't be a great improvement on the kicking side either.

Could we not fit in Jamie Ellis some where great kicker.

He's an even better eater though!

£5 someone suggests Barry Eaton soon.

Wonder if Barry Eaton is available...

Also, on goal-kicking, as we seem to have several candidates, all of them not great at the moment, why don't we use a left-footed kicker from the right touchline (Marshall?) and a right-footed kicker (Williams?) from the left? Never understood why this is not more widespread.

Isn't Marshall right footed?