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| Quote jonh="jonh"I get the point you make but how many other teams have the depth at centre that we have? Sarg and Gelling, Thornley and if we pick up a knock Tomkins all of whome despite their age have picked up big game experience, before we even have to dip into the likes of Gildart.
Our main rivals can't boast that depth. .'"
Turner, Percival and Jones as 3 centres. If they pick up knocks we've got Matty Dawson to cover at centre. Beyond him we've got LMS who won a Grand Final playing at centre. Then we've got Jack Ashworth who's an academy lad who's a centre. I think we can boast that depth tbh pal.
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| If we're sticking props at centre, we'll do fine with former England Centre Tony Clubb there.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"We start the season with 2 fit centres and a 17 year old albeit with excellent potential.
Thornley I think I am correct in saying hasn't played a full season yet due in part to a couple of major injuries. The guy has the physique but I am not always sure if he has the mental toughness to be regarded as a first class centre.
I am still not fully convinced on Gelling but this is perhaps my aversion to the Kiwi production line in centres where there is always significant brawn but vey little guile. I don't question Gelling's work rate but sometimes that in itself isn't enough.
I'm obviously in the minority ( of one !!) here but I think if we do get an injury to say Sarginson then this will have an adverse effect on the type of rugby we currently play. I'm confident that Sarginson will continue on his upward curve and I sincerely hope that Gildart can break into the first team for say ten to twelve games it's just the lack of robust options if we sustain an injury in this position that concerns me.'"
I understand the point you make but I cannot see how the club can sign a recognised/high quality centre by offering them a backup spot, even assuming that there are centres available of that standard - it is probably one of the most sought after positions given the lack of quality in depth in this country. I suspect most SL clubs are in the same position having two or three good centres at most then having to look at youngsters or players playing out of position to cover.
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| Quote SecondRowSaint="SecondRowSaint"Turner, Percival and Jones as 3 centres. If they pick up knocks we've got Matty Dawson to cover at centre. Beyond him we've got LMS who won a Grand Final playing at centre. Then we've got Jack Ashworth who's an academy lad who's a centre. I think we can boast that depth tbh pal.'"
Percival - sargînson
Turner - gelling
Jones - thornley
Dawson - Charnley/Burgess (played there numerous times at academy & u19 level) j Tomkins (who's also won a GF playing centre) & Bateman
(Silly argument but you started it) LMS - tony clubb (who's played internationals at centre).
Ashworth - Gildart
I think we're pretty well off and wouldn't swap our "depth" and options for any other clubs.
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| Quote exiled Warrior="exiled Warrior"I understand the point you make but I cannot see how the club can sign a recognised/high quality centre by offering them a backup spot, even assuming that there are centres available of that standard - it is probably one of the most sought after positions given the lack of quality in depth in this country. I suspect most SL clubs are in the same position having two or three good centres at most then having to look at youngsters or players playing out of position to cover.'"
If and I know it is a big if a quality centre became available I would have Gelling and Thornley as the back up.
I totally agree that there is a dearth of quality centres partly due I think to the general thought that it's ok to play players out of position to cover this role. We wouldn't do this with a half back or a loose forward but all teams seem to do it consistently with the centre position.
Maybe if coaches looked at developing more centres as a specialist role rather than concentrating on bulk, impact players, prop come second rowers and "taking the ball in" we may see a more balanced approach to squads and style of play.
Rant over  .
A good debate which only makes February seem a long way off!
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Manfredi
Thornley
Gildart
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Hampshire
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Dudson
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Patrick
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Sutton
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Sure I've missed some off, but that's not a bad reserve team is it? Most have reasonable super league experience, and there are a few internationals in there too.
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| Lever can play prop or in the back row and Doran can play in the halves and hooker to be added to that list.
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| Quote CM Punk="CM Punk"If we're sticking props at centre, we'll do fine with former England Centre Tony Clubb there.'"
Fair play, i'd forgotten about Clubb. But he's never won a Grand Final at centre..
Quote CM Punk="Jukesays"Percival - sargînson
Turner - gelling
Jones - thornley
Dawson - Charnley/Burgess (played there numerous times at academy & u19 level) j Tomkins (who's also won a GF playing centre) & Bateman
(Silly argument but you started it) LMS - tony clubb (who's played internationals at centre).
Ashworth - Gildart
I think we're pretty well off and wouldn't swap our "depth" and options for any other clubs.'"
I'm not saying you should swap if you was ever given chance, I was simply replying to the claim that your rivals don't have the depth you boast, when in actual fact we have similar levels of depth at centre as you've show here yourself. I'd also forgotten about Matty Fleming who's been promoted to the first team squad this year, as Gildart has for you.
Percival - Sarginson
Turner - Gelling
Jones - Thornley
Dawson - Charnley
LMS - Clubb (I'll agree it's daft but someone earlier on the thread was on about Bateman when he's only played that one game against us at centre?)
Ashworth - Bateman
Fleming - Gildart
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| Quote SecondRowSaint="SecondRowSaint"Fair play, i'd forgotten about Clubb. But he's never won a Grand Final at centre..
I'm not saying you should swap if you was ever given chance, I was simply replying to the claim that your rivals don't have the depth you boast, when in actual fact we have similar levels of depth at centre as you've show here yourself. I'd also forgotten about Matty Fleming who's been promoted to the first team squad this year, as Gildart has for you.
Percival - Sarginson
Turner - Gelling
Jones - Thornley
Dawson - Charnley
LMS - Clubb (I'll agree it's daft but someone earlier on the thread was on about Bateman when he's only played that one game against us at centre?)
Ashworth - Bateman
Fleming - Gildart'"
You seriously compare Dawson to Charnley???
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| Quote SecondRowSaint="SecondRowSaint"Fair play, i'd forgotten about Clubb. But he's never won a Grand Final at centre..
I'm not saying you should swap if you was ever given chance, I was simply replying to the claim that your rivals don't have the depth you boast, when in actual fact we have similar levels of depth at centre as you've show here yourself. I'd also forgotten about Matty Fleming who's been promoted to the first team squad this year, as Gildart has for you.
Percival - Sarginson
Turner - Gelling
Jones - Thornley
Dawson - Charnley
LMS - Clubb (I'll agree it's daft but someone earlier on the thread was on about Bateman when he's only played that one game against us at centre?)
Ashworth - Bateman
Fleming - Gildart'"
You seem to have missed comparisons with Burgess and J Tomkins from your reply?
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"Your worried about the 2nd row situation?
Our 11, 12 & 13 also happily to be the 11, 12 and 13 for England. We then have one of, if not the best, young 2nd rower in the country in Bateman and you are worried about our 2nd row options.
If injuries hit guys like Tautai and Patrick both have plenty of game time in the backrow.'"
I'm worried about second row cover not the best case scenario. You need three to start and one on the bench, which means we're borrowing one of our four starting props straight away if Lockers gets injured (likely to happen quite a bit) or one of the others (bound to happen over the course of the season) or we're down to throwing in Lever/C.Farrell who are more or less debutants. I don't really buy that Tautai could get by in the back row either, he doesn't look nearly mobile enough.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"I think we're fine in a position that's possibly the weakest across the whole of the league. Aside from maybe Leeds pair I don't think I'd consider swapping our two for any other pair in the league. After that Thornley will be back at some point, we have Tomkins and Bateman who could both step in comfortably and then we have the best young centre in the game in Gildart. I also still think all three of our wingers could do a job there. I've fancied seeing Charnley given a shot at centre since his HKR spell all those years back.
In short- We're fine IMO.'"
Surely Gildart needs to play a few games at Super League level and prove himself before being dubbed as the "best young centre in the game?"
The step up from 19's to Super League is astronomical; Gildart has done nothing yet.
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