Correct and it looks like the whistle blower got it badly wrong on the occasion mentioned above. Funny how they cant apply simple rules. Other rules that aren't being applied: the flop, hands on the ball in the tackle, the 10 metre march (I dont see it much anyway) and the standing square at the mark. The stains board went crazy when we played them, however they did have a point but ALL teams are doing it. Top of the list is the 10 metre defensive line which in Oz is maintained when the ball is picked up by the hooker, in this country the defense moves forward when the ball hits the ground when its being played. It really does affect our game.

So you would rather we make rules up than follow them correctly?

No they dont. Most forwards lead with the ball carrying arm.

So still not the shoulder then

If you lead with the shoulder there is only one side the ball can readily be off-loaded, so pretty limiting tactic.

Thats the point, in this country we have made up the rule of moving forward at the contact of ball and ground durrr