The high kick he dropped was a great kick from Sinfield. If i was Shaun Wane i would be questioning why Sinfield was allowed to put such a great kick in. Why was there no pressure on him. Even players like Radlinski and Wellens who are both great takers of the high ball would of struggled with that one.

40-20 was just an error that sometimes happens. He misjudged were Sinfield had kicked it from.

Sam is always going to have bad games just a shame for him it was in a semi final. Despite the mistakes he made yesterday he was still one of our best players, but that probably says more about how badly everyone played.

I'm certainly not going abuse him, yesterday when we were 16-0 down, Tomkins took the ball and ran 60 metres. After that we scored two tries and were back in the game.

So Wigan lost. Shame etc etc.


I'm sure you'll be giving the mighty Wire your full support when we yet again get to Wembley.

Why ?

Quite a stupid thread really. His contribution over a season far outweighs his admitted errors in one particular match. That is why he does not get abuse.

In my eyes Wigan a very good allround team, but if you took Tomkins out of it, it would leave a gaping chasm that would be almost impossible to fill. Even yesterday all of the good moves that involve the backline , Tomkins was instrumental in all of them. In addition he gives you an attacking threat from deep inside your own half which practically no other super league team has, apart from maybe burrow when he is in the form he was showing yesterday

Who? Is that that so called "Glamour" club in Cheshire?

We will give yu as much support as you gave us....

Its not a stupid thread. The OP is pointing out that if certain players had done the three errors which led to tries so early on then this place would have been on melt down even before the game finished yesterday. Most are having a go at the ref but Sam cost us just as much. Yes he is still the best player in SL and more than likely in the top 3 players in the world at this moment in time. But yesterday just as against Wire at home he has made poor decisions that has cost us in the end.

All players make mistakes he makes less than most and will make up for it but to say a thread is stupid as you do shows that some will get away with huge errors. But some will never get away with one.

I don't really know what you want us to do Baked Bean Boogie, knitting round the guillotine is very much out of fashion although I do agree that other players would have got a lot of stick for what Sam did yesterday but you have to compare like with like for one thing and you are surely not comparing Denis Moran and Sam as being of equal ability. Sam had probably the worst game I have seen him have but the guy is human and he was not on his own and anyone who has never made a mistake does not exist and he most certainly did not lose the match for us single handedly. He'll learn from it and be better for it in the end and as others have said he has done far more good for us than bad so whilst I am disappointed we lost the game let's move on and leave it as tomorrow's chip paper

Sam made mistakes which cost us tries and he wasn't the only one. So did Charnley. We are not having a go because both have been exceptional this year and one poor game doesn't mean we slag them off.
Sam is the best player in SL by a very long way and Josh the leading try scorer by some distance.
One poor game does not a bad player make!

There were plenty of others besides Sam. The mistakes from Lockers, Charnley, Gelling, Hughes, Finch, McIlorum and others were equally responsible.

Breaking the game down into 1/4's we only really lost the 1st of those quarters by any margin. Its an over simplification to blame Sam for the loss of the game, but his errors sure as hell did not help. We shaded the next 1/4 despite lots of pressure and the 2nd half was rather close overall points wise. Many have said that the Leeds won it in the pack, well lets look at the players who came back from time away, three are normally influential pack members, and ofc SOL was missing from the pack. The pack built no base yesterday, and if even Bailey, the most fay forward in rugby league, starts to look good, you know you have problems! Charnley did not look 100% either, but then who is at this stage of the season.

Its chip paper now, and we need to be on the "London " thread and looking forward.

Any gloating trolls, please note i did not mention the ref...

Sam didn't have as bad a game as that buffoon in the middle. Can't believe at some of the posts on here about Sam. you should be looking at the team that was picked. You have a few injuries in very important places and yesterday you looked a very unbalanced team with Sean at standoff. Love Sean to bits and would be in any star team of mine but he isn't a stand off. You will have Matty for the rest of your games and I think you will win the GF this year.