I want them at the foot of the table, so we can watch their fickle support trickle away....

It would be a shame if we had even a short period during which Wigan v Saints derbies were not contests, but you're right. At the time of the 0-75 thrashing, there was far too much self-congratulation on the other side of the hill given that they knew they'd played against a team of inexperienced kids. For that reason alone they deserve at least some time as cellar dwellers.

The last thing we need is for Saints to end up like Bradford are now.

The Leeds vs Bradford derby is a farce and we don't want that for the biggest club game in RL

but with Roby in the team, I have no doubt they'd have beaten Bradford last night, which is sort of what i'm getting at

Saints problem is way beyond roby not being there, wellens is way too slow now and they have not replaced graham with any quality

They will be there around the top half but the way they are performing this year is not down to one player being missing

Their next games of leeds, warrington and wigan will give a good perspective of where they are

Just remember, that when we started to struggle around 2005, that we could usually lift ourselves to sneak a win against them. They'll be ready for Good Friday.

It will be interesting to see how their fans react, they have record season ticket sales this year. I genuinely hope their fans stick together like we did but I can't see it.

If the next 3 games go the way yopu would hope they would go, leeds wire and wigan, simmons could be sacked easter weekend with saints having lost 7 on the bounce

Leave Simmons, he's doing a great job, just as I knew he would.

Saints just look like they've lost their identity a little and thats through having a lack of leaders at the club now. When they had Graham and Roby last year they could paper over the cracks because those 2 somehow manage to put in almost super human efforts on a weekly basis. They will obviously have Roby back soon enough but he's a leader by example whereas they need a Graham type who did lead by example but would also put a rocket up people.

2 players at Saints that should be leading are Wellens and Wilkin but they're struggling. Wellens physically can't do the things he used to be able to and he gets very easily frustrated when things are going against Saints. That negativity can spread through the side and give you a bit of a victim complex. As for Wilkin I always get the feeling he's the sort of player that will play well when things are going well for his team but when the chips are down he'll go missing.

Tough times for them.

Its difficult working out what's for the best, I mean we could use a Stains win against Leeds AND Wire, before a defeat to us leading to the sacking of Royce..

On the other hand, NOT sacking Royce could be the answer for us

They lose the next 2 against Wire and Leeds. So they go into Good Friday without a win in 7.

That makes them certs to beat us.