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| Wow, what a brilliant read.
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| That's what's called attention to detail.
However, I'm sure we are all over estimating Madge here, Kear, McDermott and Agar will all be doing the same.
They must be as they are SL coaches and they're British!
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| Not commenting on the incident in question, which I haven't seen, and the testimony certainly reflects attention to detail in preparation by Wigan, but I didn't find that a very satisfactory defence to a charge of dangerous contact.
Surely the panel's job is to decide whether the contact was dangerous or not? If it was, then the explanation that "I was coached that way, and I didn't want him to offload" is not a defence at all.
Not, I hasten to add, that I'm saying there was dangerous contact in this instance or any other, just an observation on a point of principle.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"Not commenting on the incident in question, which I haven't seen, and the testimony certainly reflects attention to detail in preparation by Wigan, but I didn't find that a very satisfactory defence to a charge of dangerous contact.
[uSurely the panel's job is to decide whether the contact was dangerous or not? If it was, then the explanation that "I was coached that way, and I didn't want him to offload" is not a defence at all.[/u
Not, I hasten to add, that I'm saying there was dangerous contact in this instance or any other, just an observation on a point of principle.'"
It disproves intent to foul.
After that what you're left with is an accident.
Accidental contact doesn't always acquit a player, especially if it still looks like a bit of reckless play - but unlike you, the panel did see the incident, and clearly decided that enough was enough. I sincerely doubt the whole thing hinged on this selected bit of defence evidence.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"Not commenting on the incident in question, which I haven't seen, and the testimony certainly reflects attention to detail in preparation by Wigan, but I didn't find that a very satisfactory defence to a charge of dangerous contact.
Surely the panel's job is to decide whether the contact was dangerous or not? If it was, then the explanation that "I was coached that way, and I didn't want him to offload" is not a defence at all.
Not, I hasten to add, that I'm saying there was dangerous contact in this instance or any other, just an observation on a point of principle.'"
I know what you re saying, but I think that is probably more to do with the poor summaries they put up on the RFL website.
However saying that I think there's more in there than the "I was coached that way, and I didn't want him to offload" you state. That is no doubt just context and there is mention of a number of things, including the influence of two other players and how this make Hansen change technique etc to ensure safety as well as the influence of Lynch's own actions in trying to offload. All of this no doubt done with the aid of slow mo of the incident itself and more detailed explanation than included on the website.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"It disproves intent to foul.
After that what you're left with is an accident.
Accidental contact doesn't always acquit a player, especially if it still looks like a bit of reckless play - but unlike you, the panel did see the incident, and clearly decided that enough was enough. I sincerely doubt the whole thing hinged on this selected bit of defence evidence.'"
I wasn't suggesting it did, and I was very clear that I wasn't discussing the specifics of the incident. If the panel ruled no dangerous contact, I'm content there was no dangerous contact.
It does not, however, disprove intent to foul. There is no "proof" in there. Just to be pedantic. Because it's the internet, and that's what the internet's for. 
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| Quote Wigan/Leeds Andy="Wigan/Leeds Andy"I know what you re saying, but I think that is probably more to do with the poor summaries they put up on the RFL website.
However saying that I think there's more in there than the "I was coached that way, and I didn't want him to offload" you state. That is no doubt just context and there is mention of a number of things, including the influence of two other players and how this make Hansen change technique etc to ensure safety as well as the influence of Lynch's own actions in trying to offload. All of this no doubt done with the aid of slow mo of the incident itself and more detailed explanation than included on the website.'"
You are no doubt correct.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"I wasn't suggesting it did, and I was very clear that I wasn't discussing the specifics of the incident. If the panel ruled no dangerous contact, I'm content there was no dangerous contact.
It does not, however, disprove intent to foul. There is no "proof" in there. Just to be pedantic. Because it's the internet, and that's what the internet's for.
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What I meant was that Wigan would have offered this part of the defence as a counter to any suspicion there might have been an intent to injure.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"I wasn't suggesting it did, and I was very clear that I wasn't discussing the specifics of the incident. If the panel ruled no dangerous contact, I'm content there was no dangerous contact.
It does not, however, disprove intent to foul. There is no "proof" in there. Just to be pedantic. Because it's the internet, and that's what the internet's for.
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I have no idea how long a single disciplinary hearing lasts but I'd imagine that there more to Hansen's defense than the single point raised in that paragraph
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| Quote dan1978uk="dan1978uk"Wow, what a brilliant read.'"
What I found interesting was the R/L seemed to be having a little dig at Leuluai by infering that it would have been his fault if anything dangerous had taken place. See quote below taken from final decision of not guilty.
They are watching Wigans every move whenever a player goes for the legs.
" A crucial element was the sweeping of the leg by Leuluai which moved all players down into a more dangerous position".
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