Gilmour was actually voted 'Young Player of the Year' the year we released him. We let him go so we could sign David Furner, if my memory serves. I think Gilmour was every bit the player Joel is at the same age.

If he'd played centre for the entire match on Sunday I personally feel there'd have been a different winning team. From what I've seen of him I've always thought the negative sides of his game outweighed the positives, but was very impressed with him in the centre birth on Sunday.

A different kind of player though. He was always fast and quick-witted, but never the wrecking-ball that Joel can be on his day. He also got knocked out a lot. Given a choice between the two, I'd go for Joel.

I'm not convinced he'd cut it at Centre, but if he can improve his passing then it could work.

I would too, but I still feel letting Gilmour go was a mistake on our part.

Agreed.

When Gilmour left didn't he moan that one of the reasons was because the Aussie & Kiwi Wigan players would never pass to him?

I'm sure with the right coaching Joel could make it as a centre. I'm also sure that a fully fit Joel at centre would have been a better bet to start the game than a less than 100% fit Gleeson. Not saying it would have changed the outcome, but would've helped.

I personally still think Sam to FB is a ridiculous idea.

Sam needs to be stand off and get more of the ball for me

Must say Joel Tomkins has proved me wrong. As a Cas fan I first saw him on loan at Widnes when we were in NL1 and I thought he was so far behind the much younger Joe Westerman that he had little to offer at SL level. Over the past couple of seasons he has improved beyond recognition and now makes a far bigger impact on games than Westerman although the quality of his coaches and team-mates will obviously have helped. If he could just sort out those shirt-collar tackles he will be something like the finished article...as a backrower (he may be 'found out' as a regular centre but he was pretty good on Sunday when he benefited from an element of surprise).

Lee Gilmour was very under rated. He was a great wide running second rower with bags of pace in his younger days. If i remember correctly one of the reasons he left was he wanted to play centre and Wigan saw him as a second rower. Joel Tomkins is a good player when hes on form but hes either very good or very poor. Too hot and cold for my liking.