we did, but he hasn't been able to play matches for long periods of that time. I think it was close to him being 2 years without playing a match, thats a long period to come back from and takes a while.

He should be fitter by know, i'm not denying that, but i still think he'll be a goo dplayer for us. If we got a proper conditioner in he would work wonders.

from what i can count he bombed at least 3 try scoring chances, and with his size he goes down to easily.

They need to give him some tough love and flog him in pre season. He needs to be running up and down winter hill all off season to get him in shape.

People around Rivvy should be sick of the sight of Feka, Riddell and Pryce come January next year.

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I thought he was pretty good tonight. If somebody takes ur legs from behind, it doesnt matter how big you are, which is what happened a number of times in the first half.

He also put some real big hits in, in defence especially in the first half. He was up against Tony Clubb tonight, who's form got him in the England squad for the international the other week and I never noticed him at all.

keep the faith and with a bit of patience, we might just have the best English strike centre for many a year

I knew he would get slated for a couple of those. The first one was an excellent text book tackle to bring him down.

Took his own try well, and looked off the pace for the other.

Defended very well tonight put in some massive hits. When he took it in from a 1 up drive (which was not enough granted) he looked a handfull.

The key to him is brining in someone to get him in shape, its clear he is not at the moment.

have faith in him, for an 18 stone he is immense

I thought he had a decent game as well, he seemed to bring some of the stuff he does in the reserves into the first team.

Not sure if it was because of Karl or not but I thought Amos Roberts had one of his better games tonight.

i agree, he showed flashes tonight of what hes capable of and another 12 months will make or break his wigan career. he needs to train his ass off in the off season and another half dozen games will improve his sharpness. a previous post says he bummed three chances, the first was a fantastic tackle low and hard, the others were face passes to roberts which he got in the way of. match sharpness will sort that. i think karl is a project worth investing in, at least for another year

Fully agreed.

He's great. Was starved of posession. Especially in the 2nd half. Someone pass to him ffs.

There's potential there certainly but clearly lacking fitness.

His demaneour will mean he will struggle to get on the right side of most Wigan fans.