Phelps seems to have a pretty good attitude, but, as Dave O says, that isn't really enough.

If we want to improve, we have to find - either by producing them ourselves or signing - better quality players. It's not the lad's fault that he's not the standard we require.

He also has the problem of being an Aussie, and, as the quota is going to start kicking in soon, that means the only Aussies we have must be really worth their place.

I can't see us keeping Phelps. But he certainly tries, which, yes, is more than you can say for a lot of the others.

You meed to trust your subconscious instincts.

I think he does give a toss and he clearly wants to do well here and that is commendable but he is still average and taking up cap space.

It's a ruthless world professional RL and sometimes nice guys have to leave to improve the team. For him he is just unlucky he happens to be out of contract now and we need he wage, whatever it is, to put towards other players.

I am of course assuming we are looking to recruit and he Phepls by being one of the few off contract players is in the firing line to miss out. If he was already a really good player he could be one of those five class overseas players IL reckons should be our overseas contingent but he doesn't really fit that bill IMO.



Well who is the coach next year has a lot to do with it obviously and if Noble is still here Ainscough may as well leave if we keep Phelps IMO.

Dave

If Josh is half as good as his dad then he will be twice the player Phelps is!

You should probably all visit the official site at some point

That's highly debatable.

Another 3 years

From seeing both play (a lot more of Phil admittedly) I believe he was by far the better full back.

Safe as houses with a turn of pace too! Almost outshone that Mal Thingy too!

Veivers's turn of pace disappeared with his hair.

Your sense of humour disappeared with your birth.

I don't know if Phelps will improve as a full back as a result but it can't make him any worse, I suppose. As a PR exercise, however, he has played a blinder, nailing his colours to the mast and enlisting the help of a Wigan legend to boot. Smart thinking!

That's wrong.

He was signed for 2009 with an option for 2010.

No, no, no, no, no.

I don't particularly rate Phelps, but I would choose him every time over Roberts.

Some players can get away with looking like they don't give a toss, Brett Kenny for example, but to do that you have to have talent. I have not yet seen anything from Roberts to indicate that he has what it takes.

Cue someone telling me to give him time. Too late for that, he has been here 6 months. If players like him take a year to settle in, then they should play for free for the first 12 months.

So should youhttp://www.wiganwarriors.com/News_full.asp?newsid

"Cameron Phelps arrived at the end of May for the remainder of 2008 and has now signed for 2009 with a further option for 2010 in Wigan’s favour."

“Cameron Phelps has shown what a good addition he is having settled in quickly with the versatility to play at full-back, centre or on the wing and to be a useful goal kicker as well. He deserves his contract extension and to be part of our squad for 2009 and possibly 2010. "

His profile mentioning "until 2011" means his last season with us would be 2010.

Wigan have the option not to extend his deal into 2010.

Dave

I agree with that ,he has been improving nicely in the las two seasons,and his goal kicking ability is a great asset .

Agreed.

If i were Ainscough and Phelps and Noble are kept on i'd probably look at a seasons loan somewhere if not even take the supposed money on offer from Union i've read rumoured a couple of times.

I'm not saying i even think Ainscough deserves to start every game but as proved since he was 'rested as a duty of care' he's only got back in twice and thats been due to injuries to Carmont.

Without injury Ainscough won't see another game all year.