Dude, we've all seen plenty handbags and punches thrown over our years watching similar to Hohaia's (which indeed was an escalation to Flower's initial contact.). We've not seen many (if any) things as bad as Flower punching an unconscious man as he lay on the floor. Please stop implying that they were anywhere near the same level of severity.

[iIts also a bit boring listening to that section of Wigan fans clinging on to the whole "We only lost because of the red card" like a badge of honour.
There's no prize for second place and your lot were second place on GF night and during the weekly rounds. Dust yourself off and go again this season.[/i

Classic

Without reading the whole 12pages I don't know if it's already been asked. If lance has only had these symptoms since the GF, why have saints been allowed to play him. I thought the new laws of the game prevented a club playing a player with conclusion. Could lance claim against saints for making him play while showing the signs of concussion?

Maybe so mate, but no more so than hearing the 'we would have won it anyway' mantra that has emerged from the Saints ranks post GF despite the fact that not one pundit, journalist, bookie or fan (including most of your own) gave you a prayer before the match kicked off. It's a two way street my friend!

So what we've learned from this thread is that a lot of saints fans think this is Flower's fault and a lot of Wigan fans are saying that it's not.

No massive surprises here then.

My only hope is that whatever ails Mr Hohia is treatable, and that it has little or no bearing on his life going forward.....

from page 6.

Our first choice 17 would see Lomax, Makinson, Percival, Swift, Roby, Greenwood, Thompson, Savelio and Richards all come through our academy. If you count Wilkin who was signed as a kid and came through our development system that's 10 out of 17.

Your last sentence is spot on. It's development and planning that's allowed us to be current champions, have our 19's 2nd in the league and can afford our ground. Cheers!

According to the RFL Hohaia passed all cognitive head tests allowing him to play and that they have no record of him reporting to them that he has been suffering from concussion,which if he has been suffering from those symptoms he or saints should surely have reported it either way we all hope he has a healthy retirement

Sorry squad was an error should have read first 13 my mistake if its Wigan then it would be

Rocky, Josh, Gelling (if your going for Wilkin} Burgess, Williams, Lockers, Faz, Joel Tomkins, Dom Crosby, Mcilorum, Mossop, Sutton, Thornley (if ever fit) and choose from Powell or Logan for sub spot.

What i find funny this season we are a point behind and we have been awful at best. Standard of SL is poor atm. Its a good thing that Burgess is off to the NRL as we would be losing Manfredi and he is looking the real deal now.

Thornley wouldn't be ahead of Sarginson.
Gelling was 22 when he signed for you. To suggest he came through your academy is absurd.

Thornley for me is a better defender than Sarginson he has struggled at times and Thornley when fit has played well in the big games. Especially in 2013 but like Lomax is never fit. Like i said your having Wilkin who was 19 or 20 and played for HKR so he was hardly a club trained player through the youth system.