I think i did ask you to stop telling me how to think... Have a lovely day...

I was there last night, yes it was another poor one.
There was one bloke in particular who will probably floating in the Dougy by now! Never heard anything like it.

Looking at it with my heart - we need to win two of our final five super 8 matches to make the semi's (away) - then it's knockout rugby and anyone's game. Plus we are getting players back out at the right time.

Looking at it with my head - we could scrape through to the semi's and then limp out. Looking toward next season.

We've been devastated by injuries/suspensions/etc this year, and we all expect our full squad would be up there challenging for silverware, but those things can happen to anyone.
What is going to change, apart from TL for MS, JB for JC, for you to look forward to anything other than more of the same next season?
I'm disappointed to read all the 'Wane Out' stuff, but most would agree we aren't playing a good brand that people want to see.

Didn't say I was looking forward to next season, more looking toward next season. Changes do need to be made (tactics, plan moves). I'm happy to give SW one more season (if we limp out the semi's/super8's this season). If we don't improve next season though then.....

We haven't played good rugby in a while, long before the injuries. It stretches back to last year.

We go on about our structure, in attack recently it doesn't look like we have one. It's so basic, just basically catch and pass, there's little movement off the ball, it's the players off the ball that occupy defenders, there is nothing there. Defenders just hit the man with the ball or the one guy we have hitting a gap. It's embarrassing to watch at times, if Shaun Wane wants to call people fickle for calling him on our dire efforts with the ball and he doesn't consider it an issue, the I really do worry. If our structured play was that good, then the players coming in would know the moves, the talent might not be as good, but the moves should still be there. Fact is, they aren't there, with our without our best team on the field.

Yeah I've noticed this, we seem to play better when we're a few scores behind. Maybe we could speak to the RFL and make sure we start every game 12 nil down

It's possibly down to our injuries though, we've simply not had our best players available for long spells to pal decent rugby; we might've scored more if we played more expansive, but we would have conceded twice as much. Does anybody else think we've been deliberately rigid in order to grind games out? I certainly don't think we'd be second if we tried to play like Cas, for instance.

It's a strange one, we just don't have any off ball movement any more. Obviously losing SOL disrupts the team as he links play, although he has been doing far less of this even when playing this year, which is where we may be struggling.
I thought Faz coming back would help as he runs good lines out wide.

We do need to sort our attack out sharpish otherwise we're finished for the season.

Bit of an open goal there with empty vessels but I'll pass.
I'm a current ST holder and a fan for nearly 50 years so even though I've decided to stop going this season I still care about the club I have supported since I was a kid so if I want to make a comment I will.
I've decided to cease going because it's the only way I think IL will listen is when attendances drop to levels where he must act. The sheer paucity of the skill and entertainment makes my decision a little easier.
I've no problem with other people having opposite opinions or being more positive than myself.

Haha! You've bought a season ticket but don't go to games, and you think that will send a message to Lenigan? That's like going to Tesco for your weekly shopping, paying for it then leaving the trolley at the checkout.

He may be lacking confidence in the younger lads he's had to put in yeah, but not with the senior players. Bateman for instance is a player that clearly doesn't stick to a rigid structure and plays more off the cuff and I certainly don't think Wane discourages him or anyone else from playing that way. He's just had his hand forced into having a conservative game plan. Could be wrong obviously but that's how it looks to me.

It certainly stuck out a mile last night when Bateman saw a bit of space in front of him and headed full pelt for the line. Next thing, we had scored under the posts.

More of this kind of thing, please!

Asothers have said, our 'stock' attack is so easy to defend against; I can see it coming a mile off, so I'm sure opposition coaches and defenders can too. We won't win pots by relying on a bit of good footwork from Bateman or Williams.That should be regarded as a bonus, not the main source of points.

My last game was Saints at home and that was enough for me.
If I want a kip on a Friday night I can find somewhere comfier and les expensive than the DW on a Friday night