I’m not sure as I haven’t read them. If you can find the minutes from the Rhyse Martin fiasco last year, it’s all explained in there. That’s where I first read them

As for your question about the Saints appeal, seems they were accusing the tribunal of making an error in law or failing to act fairly in a procedural sense

Otherwise known as "trying any trick in the book to get out of a fair punishment" rather than accepting a ruling that even most Saints fans think was justifiable. It's frivolous by any proper definition of the word other than the one as presented by the RFL. The whole thing is becoming a joke.

There is a ridiculous "RFL against Saints" narrative going on amongst many Saints fans. The truth is that Saints are getting away with constantly pushing the boundaries in a way few, if any, others are and I can tell you, as a Wigan fan, it's becoming unpalatable.

Maybe Saints are in the right and we, as a club, should be following suit more aggressively. I wonder how long it would be before the RFL invented some other ruling and implemented it before it became part of the actual rules if we did? Maybe I'm being paranoid. Surely they'd never do that, would they?

But the Martin case did not quote the rules regarding frivolity, they simply offered an opinion. So the ruling you so eloquently supplied is in effect not a rule and consequently Saints appeal may have been judged as frivolous.

I think they are now moving on to The European Court Of Rights,prob apply for a site of scientific interest so they can be protected as a endangered species.

As a nation we all must protect The Saints as they have become a national treasure and must be given every chance to win another GF to become the third greatest team in RL history (still) behind Leeds then number 1 Wigan.

What? How exactly? You must have a very short memory given Ellis was given a few games after the headbutt against Warrington and he is now banned again. Shorrocks sent off a few weeks ago, Isa banned too. They are just the ones off the top of my head. According to you though "there is nothing in any of them" and Wigan are the victims.

You may not think it but after Wellens publicly admitted our discipline was an issue earlier in the season and read the riot act to the players, it is much improved. Matautia had a brain fart in the SF against Leigh but Sironen hasn't been banned for a long time and despite the witch hunt on Knowles from Sunday, he had no case to answer. He didn't throw a punch and wasn't even mentioned in the minutes despite the outcry on social media.

Saints are no angels but then neither were Wigan under Wane who got away with murder at times with the likes of Micky Mc and his dark arts. If any side pushed the rules to the limits it was the Wigan side under Wane. Presumably thats all ok though because you won trophies?

Maybe if other sides had the line speed and aggression of Saints they may be going for 5 in a row and winning a WCC in Australia. Just a thought.

Micky Mac has less charges in 15 years than Morgan Knowles does in his 6 or 7 year career to date.

Thats probably more to do with the current scrutiny and the way the MRP panel works now than over 5 years ago. If he played in that Wigan team with today's disciplinary it would've been very different.

NB I completely forgot about Powell getting 6 (or was it 7) games for his crusher on Bennison. So there's 2 large bans for Wigan players in the last two seasons. And we are the dirty team?

Always makes me laugh how Wigan are portrayed as holier than thou

I dont think Wigan got away with murder,surely they would have been caught.
Micky Mc was a model professional never moaned or complained even when he got his ankle snapped.
Lets be honest St Helens have been a dirty side for a while and lately they have been caught and you lot are squealing like a stuck pig.

Micky Mac still plays the game

Yes he does. My point was under that Wigan team with Wane

Been there, done that, won the other trophies too

I'm the first to admit that we have been poor with discipline at times especially under Woolf. We also pushed the lying on/wrestling to its absolute limits on numerous occasions.

My point is that I think we have got much better in this area aside from the Lees incident on Sunday and the Matautia late hit in the SF.

That's the point I'm making.

I'd agree with you there you have. I still think having seen the video that the tackle from Lees could have deserved a ban because it was the type of contact they are trying to outlaw, rightly or wrongly.

And before you bring it up, I do think Matty English was a lucky boy.

So he was dirty under Wane and when he played for Wigan but not now he plays for McNamara and Catalans. Thank goodness the poor lad managed to escape those bad influences on him.

The disciplinary have really cracked down on players since the start of 2022. In that time Micky Mac has been charged 4 times, whereas Morgan Knowles has been charged 10 times (actually charged, not just looked at). I still think Micky Mac carries a tag of being a dirty player, especially if you read some Saints fans comments after you play Catalans. He's had less than half the charges handed out to Knowles and less than Matautia (icon_cool.gif, Sironen (icon_cool.gif and Lees (5). Also in that time, Wigan have seen Smithies charged 3 times, Ellis 3 times, Isa twice and Powell once.

Makes you think doesn't it...