I'm not saying your attitude towards the disciplinary I'm saying your attitude towards the sport.

Rather than worry about what is good for the sport which perhaps Wigan do too often you only focus on yourselves. The COVID instance for example and taking a break when you felt like it, club officials slagging off players, the disciplinary and match officials (something you've done since 2019) when things don't go your way. Coaches will criticise refs after games, but find me another chairman that has openly criticised an official or a CEO that has criticised the disciplinary.

The attitude seems to be Saints first, RL second.

It isn't necessarily a bad thing and could be seen as simply being win at all costs.

I think Robert Hicks attending a corporate function at Warrington enjoying their hospitality then refereeing the CC Final 3 days later involving Warrington was rightly called out by McManus.

So you think he was a cheat?

What about the head of match officials for years being a known Saints fan? Should clubs have called that out every time you won a game from an iffy call?

If he attended that without prior consent from the RFL (Ganson I presume) and turned up in secret and then left with a big brown envelope in his pocket then you would probably have had a point, but I doubt that happened.

Yes I think they would've been well within their rights to challenge the transparency.

One thing would help with all the appeals, appeals on appeals, bans, none bans, conspiracy theories, the RFL treating Saints harshly, the RFL treating Saints leniently etc etc and that would be if Saints players could get through a game without whacking people late, whacking them in the head or a combination of both.

Crazy idea I know but it would save a load of hassle.

That's mental. It'll never work.

Completely disagree. When it comes to RL - Wigan is all that matters. If, god forbid, we folded tomorrow I wouldn't watch a min of British RL again.

Danson/IL/Any owner has one duty of care & that's to do the best for their team. This big RL family is BS imo.

You can only have one without the other though

I'd rather see no Wigan RL than see us continue to keep taking a shafting off the rest of the league.

This used to the club of Uncle Mo. He'd 100% be doing what Saints are doing now. Using every advantage and avenue to achieve one goal - to make us the greatest RL team in the world. Wigan used to be a club that pushed the art of what people thought was possible. One that dominated the sport and ran roughshod over the British game. I'm extremely proud of that and it won't change.

That's what we need to get back to. With one or Britain's richest men, there's the opportunity to do it again.

Not seen it confirmed but I've heard they're appealing it on a technicality again. That'll be twice now which, for me, raises two questions:
1) How is the RFL possibly incompetent enough to get the wording wrong twice? Surely even the most slapdash of organisations should be able to learn from their earlier mistake?

2) How come when Wigan find a loophole they invented a charge of "against the spirit of the cap" but when Saints find a loophole TWICE they can't come up with "against the spirit of the disciplinary process"?

Yep, I’ve heard it’s a case of “wrong charge” which I’m assuming means the tribunal once again made a mess of the wording in their conclusion last night, and that there’s probably a fairly good chance we will win it.

They just need scrapping, they’re not fit for purpose at all and there shouldn’t be a panel full of clowns re-reffing every game. Just look at cards and stuff the ref puts on report. The way we do it now is pathetic even in theory, but the execution of it is just the stupidest I’ve ever seen

If you're reviewing the red card then Lees still gets done as he was part of the sending off

I’m not really d about this incident. Lees probably should be banned based on current rules and they’ve botched it. I just think their existence is completely pointless

I know it's a thankless task and without them we have no game and all that but the refereeing and disciplinary this season has been at an all time low. We have a player once again sitting out a match for an incident that was a big, fat nothing and people appealing bans that were far more justifiable. It's nuts...and that's before we get to the fact that an incorrect red card probably cost us a trophy. How has it got to where it is? It's a shambles.