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Quote: Phuzzy "I accept that Stu and, if you'd also just played 3 games in 10 days I'd put us back as favourites. Wellens has definitely flogged players too. Both coaches need to be better at rotating players and trusting their squads.

We'd argue all day about what constitutes a first team player for Saints Stu as I don't actually think anyone knows what your first choice is!
I’m the first to say Lomax has been poor this season but as club captain he’s definitely first choice and there’s nothing to say he wouldn’t suddenly have a great game

Hurrell is poor defensively but offers a lot in attack particularly close to the line.

Also you’ve missed out Batchelor who may be banned and he definitely makes a first choice 17 irrespective of his relatively poor performances earlier in the season

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NB to be fair I’d forgotten about O Neill who is a big miss and a quality player

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Sironen could be in trouble for a shoulder charge on Hankinson just before Mbye tackled Cross , when Cross should really have scored . Great work from Mbye though

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Quote: Brick with eyes "Sironen could be in trouble for a shoulder charge on Hankinson just before Mbye tackled Cross , when Cross should really have scored . Great work from Mbye though'"


I think tomorrow will be a lottery. There’s an argument to say that Bell could be in trouble too for a high shot and I’ve seen Wigan fans on Twitter saying Nsemba may be in trouble.

We’ll know a lot more after tomorrow.

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Quote: Stu M "I’m the first to say Lomax has been poor this season but as club captain he’s definitely first choice and there’s nothing to say he wouldn’t suddenly have a great game

Hurrell is poor defensively but offers a lot in attack particularly close to the line.

Also you’ve missed out Batchelor who may be banned and he definitely makes a first choice 17 irrespective of his relatively poor performances earlier in the season'"

If Bachelor is banned I'll give you him but it's not cut and dried he will be. As I said, we'll argue all day about Lomax, Dodd and Hurrell. You can count them as misses but Dodd is already on a plane, Lomax is a shadow of what he was and Hurrell is great (in attack) when fit but he's clearly been on the burgers even before his injury. If he was playing we'd be running Wardle at him all day. Would you honestly expect a good outcome from that? I think your statement that there's no saying Lomax wouldn't suddenly have a great game sums it up better than ever I could. There's wishful thinking, then there's the reality of the situation.

You're currently better without all those players so you can technically call them misses but the reality is none of them would bring anything to your team. In fact both Hurrell and Dodd have not been picked even when available so first choice is a stretch regardless of availability.

Probably best we agree to disagree but I think our misses are on a par regardless of numbers. If Matautia or Bachelor plays then I think ours are more telling. I'm fact, if we're a one man team then French alone covers all of yours icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Stu M "I think tomorrow will be a lottery. There’s an argument to say that Bell could be in trouble too for a high shot and I’ve seen Wigan fans on Twitter saying Nsemba may be in trouble.

We’ll know a lot more after tomorrow.'"

Then there'll be the wildcard banning that no one saw coming... icon_lol.gif

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Tbh I think a lot of people are underestimating the length of ban that Smith will get. If the panel deem it a deliberate elbow to the head of a prone player he could get 4 games plus.

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Quote: Phuzzy "Then there'll be the wildcard banning that no one saw coming...
We’ve done this topic to death now but in fairness I think there’s very little in it in terms of quality v numbers and its splitting hairs in many ways as to which team is the most affected.

I think tomorrow’s MRP will be key and then the 21 man squad announcements on Thursday as there’s a few on each side undoubtedly busted.

The bookies are rarely wrong though and I think they’ll make Wigan slight favourites. My guess is Wigan -4

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There’s a couple of Wigan fans suggesting that French may be back for next week but it would be foolish to throw him into a game that Wigan can afford to lose (local bragging rights apart)

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Quote: MadDogg "Tbh I think a lot of people are underestimating the length of ban that Smith will get. If the panel deem it a deliberate elbow to the head of a prone player he could get 4 games plus.'"

Does he actually make contact with the head? I don't know either way but I haven't seen any pics or video that show he did. If he did, then fair enough, but if there was no contact isn't it the same as the one on Field against Hull KR for which there was no ban at all?

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Quote: Stu M "There’s a couple of Wigan fans suggesting that French may be back for next week but it would be foolish to throw him into a game that Wigan can afford to lose (local bragging rights apart)'"

Can't see it myself Stu but there have been whispers. If he's back then surely we win as the rest of the team is irrelevant eusa_think.gif icon_lol.gif

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If Nsemba picks up a ban all well and good, he could do with a break, same for Thompson Havard and Ellis, leave them out altogether, the only thing at stake next week is very short term bragging rights, we need to be looking towards September now and being in the best possible shape for then.

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Quote: Stu M "Fully appreciate the games you’ve played and yes I expected a drop post WCC which to give you credit didn’t really happen. Maybe this is the dip

However in mitigation to the points you make about next week, our pack has been flogged. Due to the number of injuries we’ve had Clark, Lees and Sironen have been playing 80 mins every week more or less so there’s some fatigue to consider there too.

Delaney played busted which resulted in a reoccurrence of his knee and Stephens has played way more games than envisaged at just 19

It’s hardly like we are fresh as daisies going into next week and I’m also not sure you’re missing 6 of your first choice 17. That’s 7 if Matautia doesn’t make it and that’s not including Wingfield and Delaney who would be first replacements'"


I think we will have at least the following missing
Cooper
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French
O’Neil
and presumably Smith
I’m obviously assuming that there won’t be anymore injuries or suspensions.

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Quote: Stu M "There’s a couple of Wigan fans suggesting that French may be back for next week but it would be foolish to throw him into a game that Wigan can afford to lose (local bragging rights apart)'"

I think that the target for French is Catalan away later in the month.

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Quote: Stu M "Not sure how you work out we will start as favourites? I bet the bookies won’t have us as favourites- pardon the pun

We’ll have Welsby, Lomax, Dodd, Knowles and Batchelor out. Matautia is a chance I believe and that’s not even including Hurrell and Delaney

Also we keep being told that Wigan have the best squad in the comp. You signed about 10 props for a start. It’s on Peet for not rotating better. Farrimond was soon back to the Reserves after a couple of cameos but will now no doubt play next week.

It’s interesting how much Wigan fans argue against the one man team jibe yet they’ve lost 3 from 5 with no French and arguably only beat us because of the sheer number we had out.

We are 2 from 2 with no Welsby (I accept one was Hull)

And yes if I had to bet on a team winning the GF to save my life I’d still bet on Wigan but they’ve got to get back to form quickly and keep French fit'"


Cant see Batchelor being banned for the life of me. Knowles will be gone though for sure

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