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| Quote: Grimmy "I think what people miss is the context behind it. To my knowledge people haven't been enslaved, treated as second class citizens, lynched etc due to being Welsh, Australian etc. They have due to being Polynesian, and those people are still suffering the effects of that today in terms of economics, land rights, the way they are treated at times. That's why a white British guy using Polynesian as part of an insult is worse than using Welsh or Aussie as part of an insult.
If Clubb said what he is alleged to have, he probably hasn't thought about all that, but he needs to be educated, apologise and have some level of punishment. I'm not really of the opinion that he should be sacked for it (if true) if he is willing to apologise and be educated. It still sticks in my craw that Hardaker publicly agreed to go on a homophobia course after what he said, then he didn't turn up (which never made the news).'"
That's what apologists seem to overlook when defending the indefensible.
As you say it's about context. Unfortunately some people are ignorant of history. You only have to read the poison that is posted on twitter. What's disappointing is that It's not a generational thing either. As soon as you see the union flag you know what's coming next.
"It's just the same as them calling us...."
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| For me there is a big dose of irony in what Clubb allegedly said. It’s almost like a politically correct racist remark? I’m struggling to get my head around it.
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| "You put your knees in, c**t!"
Looks a very different situation all of a sudden, 'eh?
Just a thought.
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| Quote: Leyland Warrior ""You put your knees in, c**t!"
Looks a very different situation all of a sudden, 'eh?
Just a thought.'"
In what way?
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| Quote: Wigg'n "In what way?'"
It's been touted elsewhere that just maybe Clubb said the above, rather than what's been alleged.
May be true ... Maybe not
But what if Clubby claims that's what he actually said?
He's already been tried & condemned across much of Social Media.
Folk rushing to judgement, based only one person's take on events, when it's just as possible what was said contained no racial context whatsoever.
Like I said, just a thought.
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| Suspended by the club pending the investigation
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| Very professional joint statement from both clubs
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| Right call.
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| Yes, certainly the right approach by the club. 'Polynesian' does sound an odd choice of language for a spur of the moment outburst, though.
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| Quote: Wigg'n "For me there is a big dose of irony in what Clubb allegedly said. It’s almost like a politically correct racist remark? I’m struggling to get my head around it.'"
The world has gone mad.
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| Quote: Leyland Warrior "It's been touted elsewhere that just maybe Clubb said the above, rather than what's been alleged.
May be true ... Maybe not
But what if Clubby claims that's what he actually said?
He's already been tried & condemned across much of Social Media.
Folk rushing to judgement, based only one person's take on events, when it's just as possible what was said contained no racial context whatsoever.
Like I said, just a thought.'"
I mean it's plausible I guess.
Tbh I am fairly sure that there won't be sufficient evidence to prove anything either way and that nothing will really come of this.
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| Quote: Leyland Warrior "It's been touted elsewhere that just maybe Clubb said the above, rather than what's been alleged.
May be true ... Maybe not
But what if Clubby claims that's what he actually said?
He's already been tried & condemned across much of Social Media.
Folk rushing to judgement, based only one person's take on events, when it's just as possible what was said contained no racial context whatsoever.
Like I said, just a thought.'"
Has Clubb said that or are people guessing at it? I can believe that to be fair. I've been accused of something similar on the pitch (I told an overweight player to 'get back to me' and he reported that I had said 'get back tubby'). I hope this is what has happened.
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| It's a shame it happened and all the attention is on this instead of a tough game between two great clubs.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Has Clubb said that or are people guessing at it? I can believe that to be fair. I've been accused of something similar on the pitch (I told an overweight player to 'get back to me' and he reported that I had said 'get back tubby'). I hope this is what has happened.'"
Admit it, you said tubby didn't you?
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| I am not sure he even knew it was racist - if he did say what has been alleged- I have had to explain to multiple people today how it is classed as such as they didn't think it was. It was only when I explained that specifically referring to this man's heritage and race in a pejorative manner was actually insulting him and his race that they understood, some even then thought it was still not a racist remark That's the insidious side of racism, it has been ingrained in society for so long that what was probably not meant to be racist, said by a guy who may not think it is racist, is actually just that. A lot of the fans I work with struggled to understand at first, why that remark is not acceptable, so the intent to be racist may not have been there in what a guy thought was a throwaway remark to wind up his opponent. and that is why education is so important to eradicate racism, both intentional and unintentional.
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